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The bible is a book that
contains countless contradictions and corruptions as ironically the
bible's own theologians openly admit! They even
claim that it contains fables and fairy tales:
101 Contradictions in the Bible!
My rebuttal to Sam Shamoun regarding Jesus asking GOD
Almighty for forgiveness:
This article is a response to Mr. Sam Shamoun's rebuttal to my article. His
rebuttal is located at: http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Osama/forgivenness.htm
He wrote:
Osama begins:
Let us look at Luke 23:33-35 from the NIV Bible:
Luke 23
33 When they came to the place called the Skull,
there they crucified him, along with the criminals--one on his right, the other on his
left.
34 Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are
doing." [1] And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.
35 The people stood watching, and the rulers even sneered at him. They said,
"He saved others; let him save himself if he is the Christ of God, the Chosen
One."
Footnotes
23:34 Some early manuscripts do not have this sentence.
Two things to notice here:
1- For those Christians who say that the Bible is perfect, it is obvious that the
historians and theologians of the NIV Bible disagree with them, because according to them,
Luke 23:34 is a doubtful verse. Please visit Most of the Bible's books and gospels were written by mysterious people!
This is according to the NIV Bible community. Another proof that most of the Bible is not
authentic nor reliable.
RESPONSE:
Osama is very inconsistent in how he handles the Holy Bible. When it is convenient,
Osama will turn to Bible prophecy to allegedly prove that Muhammad was Gods prophet.
Osama will then attack the Holy Bible when it clearly contradicts his beliefs as a Muslim.
This exposes how irrational and inconsistent Muslim apologists truly are.
My response:
I am not really being inconsistent. It's your funny Bible that is made up of 66+
different books and most of them were written by mysterious people according to the Bible's theologians. I
take the parts that agree with Islam as authentic and discard the parts that disagree with
Islam. You can call it "inconsistency" all you want, but as long as you
refuse to learn the Truth of Islam, you will always be blind and foolish and think of
those who don't buy your inconsistent Bible as foolish people, while the Bible itself is
the master of inconsistency and foolishness.
Please visit: What parts of the
Bible do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth? and Why?
He wrote:
The fact of the matter is that all ancient documents, including the Quran, have come
down to us with variant readings. Yet, no honest textual critic assumes that a document is
unreliable because it has variant readings.
My response:
The Noble Quran did not come down in "variant readings". It came down
in Arabic and in one dialect: the Quraishy dialect. You can learn more about the
History of the Preservation of the Noble Quran at: www.answering-christianity.com/quran/textual.htm
He wrote:
The Holy Bible has far greater MSS evidence supporting its textual purity than any
other document from antiquity. It even has greater MSS support for its purity than the
Quran itself! Furthermore, the Quran and early Islamic traditions also support the
preservation and authenticity of the Holy Bible.
My response:
That's not what the Bible's theologians think Mr. Shamoun. The Bible's
theologians flat out admit and declare that most of the Bible's books and gospels were
written by mysterious people! Read their quotes by yourself and judge for yourself
at: www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm.
As to the Noble Quran and Islam supporting the preservation of the Bible, you obviously
don't know what the Quranic Words "Injil" and "Torah" mean. They
don't mean the "New Testament" and "Old Testament". They mean
the revelations sent to Jesus in Injil, and to Moses in Torah, peace be upon both of those
two Prophets. The New Testament of today has little to do with what Jesus spoke.
In fact, if you were to collect the quotes of Jesus from the NT, then you would
only get a column and a half of News paper worth. That's all. That's all what
you have from Jesus' quotes in the 33 years he lived among the People of Israel.
He wrote:
Since the focus of our paper is not textual criticism and its affect on the
authenticity of the biblical and quranic MSS, we wont spend much time on this issue.
We produce the following links that provide the details regarding the MSS, archaeological
and historical evidence which demonstrates beyond any reasonable doubt that the Holy Bible
has been faithfully transmitted to us and that its message can be trusted. We also
include links that show that the Quran has suffered textual corruption, contrary to the
claims of modern Muslim polemicists:
http://answering-islam.org/Bible/Text/index.html
http://www.answer-islam.org/BibleQuran.html
http://answering-islam.org/Shamoun/documents.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Campbell/s3c3a.html
http://answering-islam.org/Campbell/s3c3b.html
http://answering-islam.org/Campbell/s3c3c.html
http://answering-islam.org/Campbell/s3c3d.html
http://answering-islam.org/Campbell/s3c3ef.html
http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Text/index.html
http://answering-islam.org/PQ/index.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Saifullah/bravo1.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Saifullah/bravo2.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Saifullah/bravo3.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Saifullah/bravo4.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Saifullah/bravo5.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Saifullah/bravo6.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Saifullah/bravo7.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Menj/bravo_r4bc.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Menj/bravo_r4bc_add.htm
The following links present evidence from the Quran and Islamic traditions showing that
the first Muslims believed in the authenticity and preservation of the Holy Bible:
http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Bible/index.html
http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Osama/biblecorruption.htm
So much for Osamas claim that most of the Holy Bible is inauthentic.
My response:
Like I said above, the Bible's own theologians don't agree with you.
You can write thousands of pages of nonsense, but this still doesn't prove
anything.
Like I said above, the bible is a book that
contains countless contradictions and corruptions as ironically the
bible's own theologians openly admit! They even
claim that it contains fables and fairy tales:
101 Contradictions in the Bible!
He wrote:
OSAMA:
2- If Jesus was truly GOD Almighty, then he would've said something like this:
"I Jesus, the Sovereign LORD of this Universe, forgive
them for they know not!". Jesus never said anything like that. He
instead asked GOD Almighty to forgive them because they knew not. How can anyone
with an atom of a brain and common sense consider Jesus as GOD Almighty then?!
RESPONSE:
Instead of assuming what Jesus wouldve or couldve have said, we need to
deal with what Jesus actually did say. Once we do this, instead of disproving the doctrine
of the Trinity, a careful exegesis of the passage, as well as an examination of the entire
context of Luke, actually provides strong support for it.
Had Osama bothered checking up the original Greek text, he would have soon discovered
that Jesus wasnt asking, but demanding that the people be forgiven:
"Jesus said, Father, forgive (aphes) them, for they do not
know what they are doing. And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.
The word for forgive, aphes, is a 2nd person singular aorist active
imperative. According to Greek Grammarian William D. Mounce:
"There is no more forceful way in the Greek language to tell someone to do
something than a simple imperative - particularly the second person imperative. Especially
when such a command is given regarding a specific situation, the one giving that
command sees himself as an authority figure. He expects those addressed to do exactly as
he has ordered." (Basics of Biblical Greek Grammar [Zondervan Publishing
House: Grand Rapids, MI 1993], p. 302; bold emphasis ours)
He also says that the imperative "is the mood of command ..." and that the
"imperative mood is used when a verb expresses a command. It is also used to
encourage or ask someone to do something." (Ibid., pp. 303, 307)
In reference to imperatives which function more as requests and entreaties than
commands, Mounce states:
"This is called the Imperative of Entreaty. You do not
command God to do something; you entreat him, both in English and
in Greek, e.g., Give us this day our daily bread. (Give is an
imperative.)" (Ibid., p. 307, n. 5)
Noted Greek Grammarian Dr. Daniel B. Wallace comments on the Greek imperative with the
aorist tense:
"The imperative is most commonly used for commands, outnumbering
prohibitive imperatives about five to one. As a command, the imperative is usually
from a superior to an inferior in rank. It occurs frequently with the aorist and present
(only rarely with the perfect tense).
The basic force of the imperative of command involves somewhat different nuances
with each tense. With the aorist, the force generally is to command the
action as a whole, without focusing on duration, repetition, etc. In keeping with
its aspectual force, the aorist puts forth a summary command ..." (Greek
Grammar Beyond the Basics [Zondervan Publishing House, Grand Rapids MI, 1996], p. 485;
bold emphasis)
My response:
Mr. Shamoun, it's funny how you and your trinitarian fellows always try to elate Jesus
to the level of the Creator of the Universe, while Jesus himself said otherwise as I will
show in a moment. Let me remind you that GOD in the Old Testament said that He will
put the Spirit of Fearing GOD Almighty in Jesus! Now any person with an atom of a
brain would immediately realize that Jesus can not be the Creator of the Universe:
1. A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his
roots a Branch will bear fruit.
2. The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him (Jesus)-- the
Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of
counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD
(Jesus fearing his GOD)--
3. and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees
with his eyes, or
decide by what he hears with his ears;
(From the NIV Bible, Isaiah 11:1-3)
Also, please visit: The Spirit of GOD Almighty came upon others before
and after Jesus in the Bible.
Now for what Jesus himself said, let us look at few quotes:
"I do nothing of myself (From
the NIV Bible, John 8:28)"
"My Father (GOD) is greater than I (From the NIV Bible, John 14:28)"
"Father (GOD), into thy hands I commend my spirit (From the NIV Bible, Luke 23:46)"
"And Jesus said to him, Why do you call me good? No
one is good but God alone. (From the NIV Bible, Mark
10:18)"
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in
heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. (From the NIV
Bible, Matthew 24:36)"
Do these quotes to a person with an atom of a brain suggest at all that Jesus is in the
same level as the Creator of the Universe?
I've written a detailed article showing how Jesus continously BEGGED GOD Almighty, and
declared that he had no Divine Will at:
Jesus had
no Divine Will according to the New Testament. How could he be our Creator?
Ten detailed sub sections in this article:
1- Jesus said he had no Divine Will.
2- Jesus' repetitive Prayers contradicted his very own teachings.
3- Jesus begged GOD Almighty for Mercy.
4- Jesus prostrated to GOD Almighty only once during his most desperate times! This
is hypocrisy by the way.
5- GOD Almighty Created pain and death, and yet, Jesus feared them.
6- The GOD of the O.T. Punishes to death those who
cursed HIS HOLY NAME. How could Jesus escape to Egypt from King Herod.
7- In original Hebrew, "son of GOD" literally
means "SERVANT OF GOD". See proofs.
8- What about the authority in Heaven and Earth that was given to Jesus?
9- None of Jesus' Miracles were unique in the Bible.
10- Conclusion.
He wrote:
To put it simply, Jesus' use of the imperative shows that he was actually demanding
that the Father forgive the individuals responsible for dividing up his clothing.
My response:
The point here is that Jesus didn't show any proof of him being GOD Almighty. And
according to the quotes I mentioned above, Jesus clearly declared that he was not GOD
Almighty or part of GOD Almighty. You're only assuming that he is demanding and
asking. Your whole logic is awkward! You don't make any sense Mr. Shamoun.
He wrote:
He wasn't simply making an entreaty. We need to point out that by saying that Christ
commanded his Father to perform a specific function, we are not implying that there is
competition within the Godhead. Rather, we are simply highlighting the point that the Lord
Jesus has the authority to make demands since he is equal to the Father in essence and is
the object of the Father's infinite and eternal love. Yet, these demands are not done out
of a dictatorial spirit, but out of a spirit of mutual love and the assurance that
whatever Christ asks for he shall definitely receive:
"When Martha heard that Jesus was coming, she went out to meet him, but Mary
stayed at home. Lord, Martha said to Jesus, if you had been here, my
brother would not have died. But I know that even now God will give you whatever you
ask." John 11:20-22
"So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said, Father, I thank
you that you have heard me. I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the
benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me."
John 11:41-42
"I will not speak with you much longer, for the prince of this world is coming. He
has no hold on me, but the world must learn that I love the Father and that I do
exactly what my Father has commanded me. Come now; let us leave." John 14:30-31
"As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. If you
obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's
commands and remain in his love." John 15:9-10
"Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my
glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the
world." John 17:24
Now in order to establish the case that the Lord Jesus wasn't simply asking or
encouraging the Father to forgive them, but making a demand based on his relationship to
the Father as the divine Son, we need to read all that Luke has to say about the person
and work of Christ. Once this is done, it becomes quite evident that Jesus is indeed the
Sovereign Lord of all creation, the Father's eternally beloved Son, and because of this he
is able to make certain demands of the Father.
My response:
Mr. Shamoun, let me ask you this: Since you trinitarians are so big on the
godhead and trinity dogmas, then why aren't these terms even mentioned in the Bible?
Let alone why aren't they elaborated on in the Bible? You call trinity
"The Holy Trinity", while the word itself doesn't even exist in the Bible!
You're making conclusions out of nonsense. All of your trinity believe is
based on man-made conclusions. I feel sorry for you.
He wrote:
For instance, the Lord Jesus claims that sinners receive salvation, repentance and
forgiveness in his name. In other words, Jesus states that he has both the ability and the
authority to grant salvation, repentance and forgiveness to all that believe in him:
"He said to them, This is what I told you while I was still with you:
Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets
and the Psalms. Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.
He told them, This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead
on the third day, and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached IN HIS NAME
to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things."
Luke 24:44-48
"I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting, the Lord replied. Now get
up and stand on your feet. I have appeared to you to appoint you as a servant and as a
witness of what you have seen of me and what I will show you. I will rescue you from your
own people and from the Gentiles. I am sending you to them to open their eyes and turn
them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may
receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith IN ME."
Acts 22:16-18
My response:
There is a serious forgery in Luke 24:44-48! It says that it is written that
Jesus will die and resurrect on the third day. Where in the Old Testament do you
have that?! Show me one Old Testament verse that prophesized about Jesus' third day
resurrection Mr. Shamoun?
In fact, in my article Answering Isaiah 53, I
clearly proved that the Old Testament actually confirms the Noble Quran's claims about
Jesus never got crucified! Let alone dying and resurrecting on the third day!
As to the book of Acts, it was written by mysterious author. Read what the
theologians of the NIV Bible said about this book:
"Although the author does not name himself, evidence outside
the Scriptures and inferences from the book itself lead to the conclusion
that the author was Luke. (From the NIV Bible
Commentary, page 1643)"
So based on some conclusion, you're willing to die for defending the idea that the Book
of Acts was the True Word of GOD Almighty? If the book was inspired by GOD Almighty, then
how come it wasn't mentioned in the book itself to help us filter it out from the many
other "Satanic false books"? Are we sure that this book too is not a man-made
Satanic book?
After all, its just a conclusion, isn't it?
Beside, what evidence are they talking about?! The New Testament wasn't even
documented on paper until 150-300 years (depending on what Christian you talk to) after
Jesus. So unless the Book/Gospel was signed by its author, there is no way we would
know for sure that it was indeed his book from the first place, let alone considering it
as the True Living Word of GOD.
(www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm)
He wrote:
The Apostles of the Lord reiterate this very point in their preaching:
"Salvation is found in no one else, for there is NO OTHER NAME under heaven
given to men by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12
"God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might give
repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel." Acts 5:31
"All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives
forgiveness of sins through HIS NAME." Acts 10:43
My response:
It's not "The Apostles of the Lord", because the book of Acts was written by
a mysterious person or persons as shown above.
He wrote:
On a couple of occasions, the Lord Jesus forgave the sins of individuals on the basis
of his own authority, something which the crowds knew only God could do:
"When Jesus saw their faith, he said, Friend, your sins are forgiven.
The Pharisees and the teachers of the law began thinking to themselves, Who is this
fellow who speaks blasphemy? Who can forgive sins but God alone? Jesus knew
what they were thinking and asked, Why are you thinking these things in your hearts?
Which is easier: to say, "Your sins are forgiven," or to say, "Get up and
walk"? But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive
sins ... He said to the paralyzed man, I tell you, get up, take your mat
and go home. Immediately he stood up in front of them, took what he had been lying
on and went home praising God. Everyone was amazed and gave praise to God. They were
filled with awe and said, We have seen remarkable things today." Luke
5:20-26
"Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven--for she loved
much. But he who has been forgiven little loves little. Then Jesus said to her,
Your sins are forgiven. The other guests began to say among themselves,
Who is this who even forgives sins? Jesus said to the woman, Your
faith has saved you; go in peace." Luke 7:47-50
My response:
Let us look at the authenticity of the book of Luke:
"The author's name does not appear in the book, but much
unmistakable evidence points to Luke. (From the NIV
Bible Commentary, page 1529)"
Again, we don't know for sure whether it was Luke or not who wrote the "Gospel of
Luke" since his name doesn't appear in the Book. The Gospel itself seems to be a
compromising one to the Word of GOD. Let us look at the following:
"Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the
beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent
Theophilus,
(Luke 1:3)"
Few problems with this Gospel from the quote above:
1- The author was not inspired, and knew for sure that he was not inspired by GOD
Almighty to write the Book since he didn't mention about any divine inspiration, and he
said "...since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the
beginning..." Where do we see GOD's inspiration in this?
2- The author wrote it for the purpose of "his most excellent Theophilus."
Since when we compromise GOD Almighty and document His Holy Words for the purpose of other
higher (in rank) human beings?
I say it again, I hope you see the real danger in making these assumptions when you are
willing to DIE for the fact that such Gospel is the actual True Word of GOD Almighty!
Also, beside, what evidence are they talking about?! The New Testament wasn't
even documented on paper until 150-300 years (depending on what Christian you talk to)
after Jesus. So unless the Book/Gospel was signed by its author, there is no way we
would know for sure that it was indeed his book from the first place, let alone
considering as the True Living Word of GOD.
Further from brother Vipor Poison; may Allah Almighty
always be pleased with him:
Luke 1:3
Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it
seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus,
The following is from the Catholic Encyclopedia:
http://newadvent.org/cathen/14625b.htm
http://newadvent.org/cathen/14625a.htm
If Theophilus existed in either the 2nd or the 4th centuries then how could the writer
of this gospel be the same Luke who is supposed to be with Jesus in the 1st century.
Maybe he lived to about 200 years.. :)
(www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm)
He wrote:
Jesus also granted his followers authority to perform miracles, cast out demons and
forgive peoples sins in his name:
"When Jesus had called the Twelve together, he gave them power and authority
to drive out all demons and to cure diseases, and he sent them out to preach the kingdom
of God and to heal the sick." Luke 9:1-2
"Master, said John, we saw a man driving out demons IN YOUR
NAME and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us. Do not stop
him, Jesus said, for whoever is not against you is for you." Luke
9:49-50
"The seventy-two returned with joy and said, Lord, even the demons submit to
us IN YOUR NAME. He replied, I saw Satan fall like lightning from
heaven. I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome
all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. However, do not rejoice that the
spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven." Luke
10:17-20
My response:
Again, the gospel or book of Luke is not authentic. It certainly isn't authentic
according to the NIV Bible Theologians and Historians.
He wrote:
Christ specifically claimed that he had come to save sinners:
"But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, Look, Lord! Here and now I
give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I
will pay back four times the amount. Jesus said to him, Today salvation has
come to this house, because this man, too, is a son of Abraham. For the Son of Man
came to seek and to save what was lost." Luke 19:8-10
This salvation stemmed from Christs death on the cross for sinners:
"In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the
new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you." Luke 22:20
And:
"It is written: And he was numbered with the transgressors; and I
tell you that this must be fulfilled IN ME. Yes, what is written about me is reaching
its fulfillment." Luke 22:37
Jesus quotes Isaiah 53:12 in connection with his impending death on the cross. This is
not the only place in Lukes writings where Isaiah 53 is viewed as a messianic
prophecy:
"Now an angel of the Lord said to Philip, Go south to the road--the desert
road--that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza. So he started out, and on his way he
met an Ethiopian eunuch, an important official in charge of all the treasury of Candace,
queen of the Ethiopians. This man had gone to Jerusalem to worship, and on his way home
was sitting in his chariot reading the book of Isaiah the prophet. The Spirit told Philip,
Go to that chariot and stay near it. Then Philip ran up to the chariot and
heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. Do you understand what you are
reading? Philip asked. How can I, he said, unless someone explains
it to me?" So he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. The eunuch was reading
this passage of Scripture: He was led like a sheep to the slaughter, and as a lamb
before the shearer is silent, so he did not open his mouth. In his humiliation he was
deprived of justice. Who can speak of his descendants? For his life was taken from the
earth. The eunuch asked Philip, Tell me, please, who is the prophet talking
about, himself or someone else? Then Philip began with that very passage of
Scripture and told him the good news about Jesus. Acts 8:29-35
My response:
Again, as I clearly showed above, the books of Luke and Acts were written by mysterious
authors(s) and are not authentic. We can't take such nonsense and declare that these
are the Holy Words and Inspirations of GOD Almighty.
He wrote:
A careful examination of Isaiah 53 shows that the person in question, namely
Yahwehs servant, is going to suffer on behalf of the sins of Gods people.
Gods servant is going to offer his life on behalf of the people of God in order to
make atonement for them:
"Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no
beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire
him. He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering.
Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely
he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by
God, smitten by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was
crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his
wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to
his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed
and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and
as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth. By oppression and
judgment he was taken away. And who can speak of his descendants? For he was cut off
from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was stricken. He
was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had
done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him
and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering, he will
see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
After the suffering of his soul, he will see the light of life and be satisfied; by his
knowledge my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities.
Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with
the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the
transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."
Isaiah 53:1-12
By quoting Isaiah 53, Jesus is clearly identifying himself as the very One whose death
procures salvation and the forgiveness of sins for Gods elect. It is little wonder
that Christ could demand that the Father forgive those Roman soldiers, seeing that Jesus
was being crucified in order to guarantee the forgiveness of such sinners!
The interesting part about all this is that the Old Testament says that sinners receive
salvation and forgiveness in Yahwehs name, and that redemption comes from Yahweh
alone!
"For the sake of YOUR NAME, O LORD, forgive my iniquity, though it
is great." Psalm 25:11
"Praise the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits - who forgives all
your sins and heals all your diseases," Psalm 103:2-3
"O Israel, put your hope in the LORD, for with the LORD is unfailing love and
with him is full redemption. He himself will redeem Israel from all their sins."
Psalm 130:7-8
"You are my witnesses, declares the LORD, and my servant whom I
have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no
god was formed, nor will there be one after me. I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from
me there is no savior." Isaiah 43:10-11
"I, even I, am he who blots out your transgressions, FOR MY OWN SAKE, and
remembers your sins no more." Isaiah 43:25
"Declare what is to be, present it - let them take counsel together. Who foretold
this long ago, who declared it from the distant past? Was it not I, the LORD? And there is
no God apart from me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but me."
Isaiah 45:21
"But I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt. You shall acknowledge
no God but me, no Savior except me." Hosea 13:4
My response:
For the reader's convenience, I will paste my detailed rebuttal of Isaiah 53 and all of
the Old and New Testament verses that are associated with it and show clearly to the
reader that Isaiah 53 actually agreed with the Noble Quran's claims:
Did Isaiah 53 really prophesies about the crucifixion of
Jesus?
Trinitarian Christians claim that Chapter Isaiah 53 in the Bible
confirms Trinity. This article proves that Chapter Isaiah 53 along with Isaiah
52:13, John 19:36-37 and Psalm 34:20 prove without a doubt that Islam's claim about Jesus
peace be upon him never died on the cross and was raised to Allah Almighty is
indeed the Truth. Let us look at the Chapter of Isaiah 53
in the Bible:
- 1
- Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the LORD
been revealed?
- 2
- He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of
dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance
that we should desire him.
- 3
- He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and
familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we
esteemed him not.
- 4
- Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we
considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted.
- 5
- But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was
crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his
wounds we are healed.
- 6
- We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his
own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.
- 7
- He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he
was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he
did not open his mouth.
- 8
- By oppression and judgment he was taken away. And who can speak of
his descendants? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of
my people he was stricken.
- 9
- He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich
in his death [The word "death"
does not exist in the original Hebrew text. Here is what the literal translation
says: "And it appointeth with the wicked his grave, And with the rich [are] his
high places"....This is verified at this link: (Young's Literal Translation)],
though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth.
- 10
- Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering, he will see his offspring and prolong
his days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
- 11
- After the suffering of his soul, he will see the light and be
satisfied; by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their
iniquities.
- 12
- Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will
divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death
[This is clarified in details down in this article. It
doesn't at all mean that he will die. The literal translation says: "Because
that he exposed to death his soul"....This is verified again at this link: (Young's Literal Translation)],
and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made
intercession for the transgressors.
Isaiah 53 perfectly agrees with Islam:
Let us look at this Verse: "After
the suffering of his soul, he will see the light and be satisfied; (From the NIV Bible, Isaiah 53:11)"
The idea of this servant who will get pierced is NOT
that he will DIE for people's sins. Notice that in Isaiah
53:9 it clearly says "He
was assigned a grave with the wicked", which means that
he will have a grave assigned to his name, but it doesn't necessarily mean that his dead
body will be in it.
The Bible's New Testament refutes the "piercing"
story:
If we were to take the Bible literally, then we will see clear contradictions in the
crucifixion story. Let us look at what the Bible says about piercing Jesus:
John 19:30-40:
- 30
- When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is
finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
- 31
- Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a
special Sabbath. Because the Jews did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the
Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down.
- 32
- The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man
who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other.
- 33
- But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead,
they did not break his legs.
- 34
- Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus' side with a spear,
bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.
- 35
- The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true.
He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe.
- 36
- These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: "Not
one of his bones will be broken,"
- 37
- and, as another scripture says, "They will look on the one
they have pierced."
- 38
- Later, Joseph of Arimathea asked Pilate for the body of Jesus. Now
Joseph was a disciple of Jesus, but secretly because he feared the Jews. With Pilate's
permission, he came and took the body away.
- 39
- He was accompanied by Nicodemus, the man who earlier had visited
Jesus at night. Nicodemus brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds.
- 40
- Taking Jesus' body, the two of them wrapped it, with the spices,
in strips of linen. This was in accordance with Jewish burial customs.
First of all, notice the man-made third party narration in the
book of John. The NIV Bible's Historians and Theologians are not even sure who wrote the
books of John, 1 John, 2 John and 3 John. The
original author(s) is mysterious.
In the above verses, the mysterious author suggests that Jesus'
bones were reserved because the soldiers did not break his knees, hence this fulfills the
Scriptures' prophecy that GOD will protect his body that not even a single bone would
break.
Also see detailed refutations to Exodus 12:46, Numbers 9:12,
Zechariah 12:10 and Psalm 34:20 that supposedly suggest that GOD Almighty was going to get
pierced on the cross.
Let us look at the obvious contradiction in the above verses:
Taken from the above verses:
"These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: 'Not one
of his bones will be broken,' and, as another scripture says, 'They will look
on the one they have pierced.' (From the NIV Bible,
John 19:36-37)"
"he protects all his bones, not one of them will
be broken. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm
34:20)"
Notice in Psalm 34:20, it says that GOD Almighty will protect "all
his bones". So, not even an inch from his bones will be damaged
according to the Scriptures.
As you might know, the crucifixion back then was done by nailing to the cross the hands
and the ankles or the feet. If GOD Almighty was going to protect Jesus' body that
not even a single bone will be broken, then how would the crucifixion and the death of
Jesus be possible then?!
My question to all Christians is:
How in the world is it possible for the feet to get nailed on
the cross without any penetration to the bones by the nails, hence breaking part of the
feet's bones?!
And for the parts of the Bible that suggest that Jesus actually died (which clearly
contradict the Verses that I presented above), please visit What parts of the Bible do Muslims believe are closest
to the Truth?
Important Note: Both Muslims and Christians believe that the grave of Jesus today is
empty. It doesn't have his body in it, because both believe that he was raised to
Heaven. The difference between Muslims and Christians in this issue is that Muslims
believe that Jesus never died on the cross but was raised to GOD Almighty.
Christians believe that Jesus died on the cross and was RESURRECTED to GOD Almighty.
This is, however, not supported at all and was never foretold in the Old Testament.
I elaborated more and provided more evidence from both the Bible and the Noble Quran that
support Islam's claim regarding this issue down in this article.
Please visit the article Contradictions in the resurrection story in the
Bible.
In Isaiah 53, all it says is that he will get pierced which again
it never mentioned the cross nor did it ever mention any sort of resurrection, not just in
this chapter, but also throughout the Old Testament. If this servant is indeed Jesus
peace be upon him, then him being pierced and never dying seems to perfectly support the
Islamic teaching about Prophet Jesus peace be upon him NEVER died on the cross for
anyone's sins.
Also notice that Isaiah 53:11 clearly states that "he will see the light". What
is that light? Could it be the light of Heaven? Probably be raised to Heaven?
Christians do believe that Jesus peace be upon him was indeed raised to Heaven, and
so do Muslims too. However, we see no mention throughout the ENTIRE Old Testament
including obviously Isaiah 53 any mention of resurrection, nor any mention for
resurrection on the 3rd day or any day. So does this mean that the servant will get
pierced (by being put on the cross perhaps) and then get raised without dying?
Let us look at the following Noble Verse from the Noble Quran
(The Muslims Holy Scripture): "That they rejected Faith;
That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge; That they said (in
boast): 'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.'
But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to
appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain)
knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay,
Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power,
Wise. And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must
believe in him (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will
be a witness Against them. (The Noble Quran,
4:156-159)"
Now compare the Noble Verses to Isaiah 52:13 "...he will be raised and lifted up....".
Notice that Isaiah 52:13 did not say "....he will be RESURRECTED and lifted
up...." Not even once, did the Old Testament predict for the foretold Servant
(Jesus) to be raised to GOD Almighty after death. There absolutely no mention of any
sort of resurrection in the Bible's Old Testament what so ever.
According to Islam, Jesus peace be upon him might have been put on the cross and might
have got "pierced", but he never died.
According to Islam, he was raised to Allah Almighty and saved from death. We
Muslims believe that Prophet Jesus peace be upon him will come back again to earth and fight the army of Satan and defeat it, and
then the Judgment Day will come. According to Islam, every person (including Jesus)
must taste death (The Noble Quran, 44:56).
Please visit the article Did Jesus get crucified according to Islam?
The point is that Chapter Isaiah 53 agrees a lot more with
Islam's claims than with the current Christianity's claims, and it is confirmed in Isaiah
52:13.
There are several other Noble Verses in the Noble Quran that talk
about Jesus such as the following:
"So peace is upon me [Jesus] the day I was born, the day
that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life. (The Noble Quran, 19:33)"
To see detailed explanation of this Noble Verse and about Jesus peace be upon him in
Islam, please visit the following links:
Does the Noble Quran in Verse
19:33 confirm Jesus' crucifixion?
Ask me any question section.
See responses to many questions about Jesus in Islam.
The Bible's New Testament refutes the "piercing"
story:
As I mentioned above, if we were to take the Bible literally, then we will see clear
contradictions in the crucifixion story. Let us look at what the Bible says about
piercing Jesus:
John 19:30-40:
- 30
- When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is
finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
- 31
- Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a
special Sabbath. Because the Jews did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the
Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down.
- 32
- The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man
who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other.
- 33
- But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead,
they did not break his legs.
- 34
- Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus' side with a spear,
bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.
- 35
- The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true.
He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe.
- 36
- These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: "Not
one of his bones will be broken,"
- 37
- and, as another scripture says, "They will look on the one
they have pierced."
- 38
- Later, Joseph of Arimathea asked Pilate for the body of Jesus. Now
Joseph was a disciple of Jesus, but secretly because he feared the Jews. With Pilate's
permission, he came and took the body away.
- 39
- He was accompanied by Nicodemus, the man who earlier had visited
Jesus at night. Nicodemus brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds.
- 40
- Taking Jesus' body, the two of them wrapped it, with the spices,
in strips of linen. This was in accordance with Jewish burial customs.
First of all, notice the man-made third party narration in the
book of John. The NIV Bible's Historians and Theologians are not even sure who wrote the
books of John, 1 John, 2 John and 3 John. The
original author(s) is mysterious.
In the above verses, the mysterious author suggests that Jesus'
bones were reserved because the soldiers did not break his knees, hence this fulfills the
Scriptures' prophecy that GOD will protect his body that not even a single bone would
break.
Also see detailed refutations to Exodus 12:46, Numbers 9:12,
Zechariah 12:10 and Psalm 34:20 that supposedly suggest that GOD Almighty was going to get
pierced on the cross.
Let us look at the obvious contradiction in the above verses:
Taken from the above verses:
"These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: 'Not one
of his bones will be broken,' and, as another scripture says, 'They will look
on the one they have pierced.' (From the NIV Bible,
John 19:36-37)"
"he protects all his bones, not one of them will
be broken. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm
34:20)"
Notice in Psalm 34:20, it says that GOD Almighty will protect "all
his bones". So, not even an inch from his bones will be damaged
according to the Scriptures.
As you might know, the crucifixion back then was done by nailing to the cross the hands
and the ankles or the feet. If GOD Almighty was going to protect Jesus' body that
not even a single bone will be broken, then how would the crucifixion and the death of
Jesus be possible then?!
My question to all Christians is:
How in the world is it possible for the feet to get nailed on
the cross without any penetration to the bones by the nails, hence breaking part of the
feet's bones?!
And for the parts of the Bible that suggest that Jesus actually died (which clearly
contradict the Verses that I presented above), please visit What parts of the Bible do Muslims believe are closest
to the Truth?
So what about Isaiah 53:12? Doesn't it suggest that
Jesus will actually die?
Let us look at Isaiah 5:12 "....because he poured out his life
unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors....." This verse doesn't clearly state that the predicted servant will ACTUALLY
DIE. When we study carefully the poetical literature of Isaiah 53, and study
carefully the claims made above, we see that "him
pouring his life unto death" means that the goodness
that he will bring from GOD Almighty, will be the light that will bring his people from
darkness (death) into light (goodness). He will defeat death (darkness).
Isaiah 5:12 does not state that he will die. It clearly states that he will cover
shadow or overwhelm death by his life.
If I pour my cup of cranberry juice on the white carpet, then I
would create a big red spot on the carpet. I wouldn't be changing the juice into
carpet, or the carpet into juice. No, I would simply defeat the whiteness of the
carpet by the color of the juice. That's what pouring the juice on the carpet means.
Same thing applies with the servant pouring his life unto death.
GOD Almighty considers evil doing and not believing in Him as equal to death.
Important Note: In many Verses in the Bible, we see that GOD Almighty used in Hebrew , Sheol, the word for "hell" as the same Hebrew word for
"death". That is why the Christian Jehovah Witnesses don't believe in
"Hell Fire" as punishment for the unbelievers. They believe that
"Hell" is actual "Death". So to put it in other words, Isaiah
53:12 could also mean that the Servant (Jesus) will over shadow or cover "hell
(death)" with "life (good)". So whoever believes in that Servant from
the People of Israel will be saved from hell or death.
Have Isaiah 53:12 clearly said "and
he will die for people's sins and resurrect after 3 days",
then we would have nothing to argue about!
So Jesus pouring his life (good) unto death (bad), means that
whomever believes in his message from the People of Israel will defeat bad (darkness) and
will be saved, and will have Jesus' life (goodness). This perfectly matches what
Islam claims about our beloved Prophet Jesus peace be upon him.
Please visit The blessed Jesus in Islam.
Questions to Christians:
If indeed Isaiah 53 is another proof that Jesus peace be upon him
is the Creator of this Universe, then explain to me why Isaiah 53 and the entire Old
Testament failed to prophesies about Jesus' 3rd day resurrection?
If Islam is such a false religion, then why is Isaiah 53 so
obviously agreeing with Islam? See Muhammad was prophesized in the Bible.
About Jesus peace be upon him:
Most Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of GOD and GOD Himself, came to earth, died
for our sins and resurrected after 3 days. If Isaiah 53 was indeed a Revelation from
GOD Almighty, and Jesus peace be upon him was indeed GOD Himself, then this means that GOD
Almighty predicted that He will get "pierced" for people's sins in Isaiah 53.
There are however problems with this Christian theory:
1- Jesus never by his own will died for anyone's sins. In fact, Jesus himself refused
the idea of getting crucified and begged his GOD to take his soul before Jesus experiences
the painful death of the cross. "Going a little farther,
he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, 'My Father, if it is possible, may this
cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.' (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 26:39)" This contradicts the Christian theory that GOD will be
pierced for the sin of others because if Jesus had it his way, he wouldn't get killed nor
even get hurt on the cross.
2- No where in the Old Testament do we see a Prophecy about Jesus' resurrection, let
alone his resurrection on the 3rd day. If GOD indeed predicted that He would get
crucified in the Old Testament, then how come He only predicted the first half of the
event and not the second half? The resurrection on the 3rd day is a very important
event in the Christian Theology, and is one of the main points that Jews and Christians
debate about.
Jesus' Crucifiction and Resurrection:
As I mentioned above, most Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of GOD and GOD
Himself, came to earth, died for our sins and resurrected after 3 days. Isaiah 53's
failure to predict the resurrection of the pierced person left behind it a great deal of
controversy!
If GOD Almighty were to get crucified for people's sins, then Isaiah 53 should've
mentioned it, because after Jesus' crucifiction in the Bible, his body disappeared.
The Jews believe that Jesus' disciples and/or mother stole the body fearing that his
body will be further humiliated (since he was nailed on the cross). So to protect the
dignity of Jesus and his body, they "stole" his body.
The Christians believe that Jesus the "GOD Almighty" resurrected to Heaven!
Have Isaiah 53 mentioned that he will resurrect after 3 days to Heaven, then the issue
would be resolved. But as I said above, Isaiah 53 doesn't talk at all about any form of
resurrection of the person who is going to die for people's sins, nor any Verse in the
entire Old Testament either. Isaiah 53 does not Prophecies about the coming of Jesus peace
be upon him.
This is very important, because only GOD Almighty could resurrect people. The reason
why the Old Testament never prophesied about any resurrection is because GOD Almighty
never intended to send anyone to die for anyone's sins, nor did GOD Almighty promise that
He will die and resurrect!
Important Note: Since the Bible
was not documented until 150 to 300 years after Jesus peace be upon him, and during his
ministry, nothing was ever documented on paper regarding his deity, we Muslims believe
that a great deal of corruption had entered the Bible. The following reasons will clarify
the Muslims' position:
1- As I mentioned above, the Old Testament doesn't in predict the resurrection of
Jesus, nor it ever considered him as GOD. Please read The "God" title in Isaiah 9:6 was given to
others before and after Jesus.
2- The early
Christians rejected Trinity and never believed in it.
3- The disciples of Jesus (John, Mark, Luke,
etc...) didn't write the Gospels that were named after them in the New Testament.
I quoted from the NIV Bible the Christian Theologians themselves regarding the history of
the NT.
4- We believe that few centuries after Jesus peace
be upon him the Church tampered with the Bible and invented the Trinity belief.
5- We only believe in
Jesus' personal quotes as closest to the truth.
6- Jesus himself in the New
Testament taught what Islam teaches; the Oneness of GOD Almighty and doing Righteousness.
7- Jesus according to
Islam never got killed on the cross. Allah Almighty saved him. As I
mentioned in point #5, we only believe in Jesus' quotes as closest to the Truth in the New
Testament. Islam's claims regarding Allah Almighty saving Jesus seem to fit with
Jesus peace be upon him asking Allah Almighty to save him from crucifiction (Matthew
26:39).
He wrote:
Amazingly, Luke also shows that the first Christian believers prayed to Jesus in the
same exact way that the OT believers prayed to Yahweh! For example, OT believers prayed to
God by calling on his name:
"Abraham planted a tamarisk tree in Beersheba, and there he called upon the
name of the LORD, the Eternal God." Genesis 21:33
"Moses and Aaron were among his priests, Samuel was among those who called on his
name; they called on the LORD and he answered them." Psalm 99:6
"And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved; for on Mount
Zion and in Jerusalem there will be deliverance, as the LORD has said, among the survivors
whom the LORD calls." Joel 2:32
This is precisely what the first Christians did, namely, call on the name of the Lord
Jesus!
"In Damascus there was a disciple named Ananias. The Lord called to him in a
vision, Ananias! Yes, Lord, he answered. The Lord
told him, Go to the house of Judas on Straight Street and ask for a man from
Tarsus named Saul, for he is praying. In a vision he has seen a man named Ananias come and
place his hands on him to restore his sight. Lord, Ananias
answered, I have heard many reports about this man and all the harm he has done
to YOUR SAINTS in Jerusalem. And he has come here with authority from the chief
priests to arrest all who call on YOUR NAME. But the Lord said to
Ananias, Go! This man is my chosen instrument to carry MY NAME before the
Gentiles and their kings and before the people of Israel. I will show him how much he must
suffer for MY NAME. Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his
hands on Saul, he said, Brother Saul, the Lord-Jesus, who appeared to you on the
road as you were coming here--has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with
the Holy Spirit
Saul spent several days with the disciples in Damascus. At
once he began to preach in the synagogues that Jesus is the Son of God. All those
who heard him were astonished and asked, Isn't he the man who raised havoc in
Jerusalem among those who call on THIS NAME? And hasn't he come here to take them
as prisoners to the chief priests?" Acts 9:10-17, 20-21
"A man named Ananias came to see me. He was a devout observer of the law and
highly respected by all the Jews living there. He stood beside me and said, Brother
Saul, receive your sight! And at that very moment I was able to see him. Then he
said: The God of our fathers has chosen you to know his will and to see the
Righteous One and to hear words from his mouth. You will be his witness to all men of
what you have seen and heard. And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and
wash your sins away, calling on HIS NAME. When I returned to Jerusalem and
was praying at the temple, I fell into a trance and saw the Lord speaking.
Quick! he said to me. Leave Jerusalem immediately, because they will
not accept your testimony ABOUT ME. Lord, I replied, these men
know that I went from one synagogue to another to imprison and beat those who believe
IN YOU. And when the blood of YOUR martyr Stephen was shed, I stood there
giving my approval and guarding the clothes of those who were killing him. Then the
Lord said to me, Go; I will send you far away to the Gentiles." Acts
22:12-21
My response:
Aside from the fact that the book of Acts is an unauthentic book as I clearly showed
above from the NIV Bible's theologians quotes, but also Mr. Shamoun fell to realize that
the word "Lord" doesn't necessarily mean GOD Almighty. "Lord" is
normally used for someone who is in leadership position. We even call drug dealers
as "drug lords". So these verses don't prove anything about Jesus being
the Creator of the Universe. Jesus was certainly the Jew's Messiah and Leader.
But he was not the Creator of the Universe.
He wrote:
Luke records instances where the first disciples prayed to Jesus directly:
"Therefore it is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us
the whole time the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, beginning from John's
baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a
witness with us of his resurrection. So they proposed two men: Joseph called
Barsabbas (also known as Justus) and Matthias. Then they prayed, Lord, you know
everyone's heart. Show us which of these two you have chosen to take over this
apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs." Acts 1:21-25
Note here that the first disciples testify to the omniscience of the Lord Jesus,
stating quite unambiguously that Christ knows everyones heart!
And:
"While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, Lord Jesus, receive my
spirit. Then he fell on his knees and cried out, Lord, do not hold this
sin against them. When he had said this, he fell asleep." Acts 7:59-60
My response:
Again, doubtful verses from the doubtful book of Acts. Also, please visit: Do People and Angels bowing
down to Jesus in Worship really prove that he is the Creator of the Universe?
See how the word "Worship" used for
Jesus doesn't even exist in the original Greek Bibles. The Trinitarian English
translations are nothing but hoaxes and deceptions. The article responds to Matthew 15:9 and other
English mistranslated verses in the Bible.
He wrote:
Stephen prays to the Lord Jesus in heaven to receive his spirit and asks the Lord to
forgive those who were stoning him. Now compare this with the following OT citation:
"Into your hands I commit my spirit; redeem me, O LORD, the God of
truth." Psalm 31:5
Even more amazing is that Stephen prayed to Jesus in a manner similar to the way Jesus
prayed to the Father while hanging on the cross:
"Jesus said, Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are
doing. And they divided up his clothes by casting lots ... Jesus called out with
a loud voice, Father, into your hands I commit my spirit. When he had
said this, he breathed his last." Luke 23:34, 46
Please do note that it is the same inspired author who recorded both Jesus and
Stephens final prayers. Hence, even though Christ himself prayed, Luke and the early
Church could still view Jesus as the source of salvation and as the focus of their
worship!
My response:
This is a ridiculous conclusion Mr. Shamoun. It doesn't prove anything!
Like I asked earlier: Since you trinitarians are so big on the godhead and trinity dogmas,
then why aren't these terms even mentioned in the Bible? Let alone why aren't they
elaborated on in the Bible? You call trinity "The Holy Trinity", while the
word itself doesn't even exist in the Bible! You're making conclusions out of
nonsense. All of your trinity believe is based on man-made conclusions. I feel
sorry for you.
He wrote:
Furthermore, the Father himself uses the imperative in a context where Christs
essential, abiding and divine glory as Gods Son comes to the forefront:
"About eight days after Jesus said this, he took Peter, John and James with him and
went up onto a mountain to pray. As he was praying, the appearance of his face
changed, and his clothes became as bright as a flash of lightning. Two men, Moses and
Elijah, appeared in glorious splendor, talking with Jesus. They spoke about his departure,
which he was about to bring to fulfillment at Jerusalem. Peter and his companions were
very sleepy, but when they became fully awake, they saw HIS GLORY and the two men
standing with him. As the men were leaving Jesus, Peter said to him, Master, it
is good for us to be here. Let us put up three shelters - one for you, one for Moses and
one for Elijah. (He did not know what he was saying.) While he was speaking, a
cloud appeared and enveloped them, and they were afraid as they entered the cloud. A voice
came from the cloud, saying, This is MY SON, whom I have chosen; LISTEN TO HIM (autou
akouete). When the voice had spoken, they found that Jesus was alone. The
disciples kept this to themselves, and told no one at that time what they had seen."
Luke 9:28-36
The verb "Listen," akouete, is a 2nd person present active
plural imperative. The disciples are commanded by God to obey Jesus because he is
Gods Son. Being Gods unique Son, Christ is both personally distinct from the
Father who sent him and equal to him in essence and nature. Is it any wonder that Christ,
the beloved Son of God, could also use the imperative in his prayer to make certain
demands of his Father?
My response:
Mr. Shamoun, you utterly failed to see that most of the Bible is a third-party
narration! Luke 9:28-36 spoke about a very serious event that took place, which
Jesus speaking with Moses and Elijah. But who spoke these verses? Were they
inspired? Or were they some gibrish nonsense written by somebody?
Let us look at the authenticity of the book of Luke:
"The author's name does not appear in the book, but much
unmistakable evidence points to Luke. (From the NIV
Bible Commentary, page 1529)"
Again, we don't know for sure whether it was Luke or not who wrote the "Gospel of
Luke" since his name doesn't appear in the Book. The Gospel itself seems to be a
compromising one to the Word of GOD. Let us look at the following:
"Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the
beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent
Theophilus,