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The "God" title in Isaiah 9:6 was given to others before and after Jesus
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Jesus reduced his title "Son of God" to be even below the average
believer's "God" title.
Did Jesus claim to be God?
(8 minutes)
"Son of God" in
ancient times meant no more than a righteous Servant and Chosen one of
GOD Almighty: [1]
[2]. Christians
have simply failed to properly define ancient idioms and terminologies.
See Also:
The "Son of God" Title in the 1 John 2:22
Jesus is Yahweh the Son? See how Christians got this very wrong in the NT,
using Jesus' words himself!
Also:
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Definition of Key Terms
(a discussion between me and a Christian):
1-
What does
"The Father"
really mean in the Bible? How does the Bible really define it?
2-
What does "Son of GOD"
really mean in the Bible?
3-
Jesus had to at least match
Melchizedek in Miracles and Power.
See this
text-debate between me and a Christian brother.
4- Also, did you know that it is
not ELOH-IM (Elohim)?
It's ALLAH! [1]
[2].
The "IM" in Hebrew is a plural of respect, dignity and honor
for GOD Almighty. The word is "Eloh". And did you
also know that the "E" and the "O" are blasphemous
deception to deliberately misspell "ALLAH". So they spell it
as ELOH. |
The "God" title in the Bible was given to
others:
The sections of this article are:
1- In Isaiah 9:6 and the Old Testament.
2- The "Mighty God" translation.
3- Did Jesus ever claim to be "Mighty God" or "God"?
4- Questions to you.
5- Is Jesus the biological Son of GOD?
6- The "God" title for Jesus and others in the New Testament.
Answering verses such as Luke 8:39 and
others.
- So can we trust the current English
Translations then?
7- The Gospel of Luke is corrupted anyway according to
the Bible's Theologians.
8- What about "The everlasting Father" title for Jesus?
Does that prove he is GOD Almighty? Ezra and
King Hezekiah were also called "Father" and "Everlasting Father".
9- Conclusion.
1- In Isaiah
9:6 and the Old Testament:
Christians claim that since the predicted Prophet's name (Jesus) will be called
"Mighty God" in Isaiah 9:6-7, then therefore, he must be GOD Almighty Himself.
Let us read the Verses: "For
unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government shall be upon his
shoulder; and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God (EL
Gibor), The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his
government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his
kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with justice and righteousness from hence forth
even forever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this. (Isaiah 9:6-7)"
It is quite unfortunate that in the old Jewish culture, people used to be named
"Godly" names. This is quite misleading and deceiving to Christians when
they try to define the deity of Jesus.
Psalm 82:6 "I
said, 'You are "gods" (Elohim; plural to El); you are all sons of the
Most High.' "
"gods" here in
Hebrew is "Elohim", which is plural of "EL". It is the same exact thing as "EL" used for Jesus in
Isaiah 9:6, since "gods" is a combination of several "EL"s. And
as clearly shown here, for someone to be called "god" or "God" in the
Bible it wouldn't make him GOD Almighty Himself, the LORD or Jehovah.
I also want to point out that any "Son of GOD" in the
Bible is a "god" or "God".
See also: The definition of "Son of God" in Islam.
"Son
of God" means "Servant of God" in Hebrew. Bible agrees with Islam,
not with pagan trinity.
"Allah" was GOD
Almighty's Original Name in the Bible according to Hebrew and Aramaic sources.
Many people in the Jewish old culture were called "God" before Jesus'
existence on earth. The following translations were verified by http://bible.crosswalk.com
and the Jewish Sabbath
Temple:
Note: Some of the words have
different translations in the http://bible.crosswalk.com
site than in the Jewish
Sabbath Temple translation. I trust the Jewish Sabbath Temple
translation, because they speak far better and more accurate Hebrew than the Bible
Crosswalk site who are Christians and are desperate to prove the trinity dogma even if it
means giving inaccurate and wrong/false translations:
Important Note: The "Yahweh" in many Hebrew names is shortened
because it apparently makes the name much easier to pronounce since it is used often.
It is very similar to our shortened names today such as:
1- Michael shortened for Mike.
2- Samuel shortened for Sam.
1- Jerusalem was called "The LORD our
Righteousness". "In those days Judah
will be saved and Jerusalem will live in safety. This is the name by which it
will be called: The LORD Our Righteousness (Yahweh tsidkenû).' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 33:16)"
2- Abraham
called a mountain "The LORD will Provide" (Yahweh Jireh).
"So Abraham called that place The LORD Will Provide
(Yahweh Jireh). And to this day it is said, "On the mountain of the LORD
it will be provided. (From the NIV Bible,
Genesis 22:14)"
3- Ezekiel means "Strong God". It also means "Yahweh is Strong
God".
4- Elijah. This name is short for EliJehovah or
"Eli Yahweh". Eli means my GOD, and Yahweh is the name and
title of GOD Almighty in the Bible. Does "Eli Yahweh" or Elijah mean that
the person is Jehovah Himself?
5- Israel means "Challenge God", "he struggles with God", or
"fight with God". It also means "Defeat God".
6- Gabriel also means "Strong God".
7- Isaiah or Jesaiah, which is short for "Jesa Yahweh" means
"Salvation from Yahweh". It could also mean "Salvation".
8- Joshua, which is short for "Josh Yahweh" means
"Yahweh Saves".
9- Elli, which is a common name for men before and after Jesus, means "God".
Psalm 82:6 "I
said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.' "
"gods" here in Hebrew is "Elohim", which is plural of "EL". It is the same exact thing as "EL" used for Jesus in
Isaiah 9:6, since "gods" is a combination of several "EL"s. And
as clearly shown here, for someone to be called "god" or "God" in the
Bible it wouldn't make him GOD Almighty Himself, the LORD or Jehovah.
I also want to point out that ANY "Son of GOD" in the
Bible is a "god" or "God" as clearly shown in Psalm
82:6.
Note: The trinitarian liars
who translate the Bible into English play dirty tricks about capitalizing and lowering the
"g" in "God" to prove their trinity lie, while they fully know that it
is the same word used for ALL!
10- Immanuel, Emanuel, Emmanuel, Immanuel, or Imanuel are the SAME NAME
and are another name for Jesus, means "With us is God". This name is also
common for men before and after Jesus.
11- Elihu means "My God is He".
12- Gedaliah means "Jehovah is Great".
Again, Gedaliah is short for "Gedal Yahweh". Is the person who was called "Jehovah is Great" GOD
Almighty Himself? People before and after Jesus are given this
name. See 2 Kings 25:22-24.
13- Eliadah or Eliada means "God knows".
14- Eliab means "my God is Father".
15- Elzaphan means "God is Protector"
16- Eliakim means "God raises".
17- Elisha means "God is Salvation".
18- Eleazar means "God has helped"
19- Judah or Yahawdah means "Praised". It generally means "Praised
by Yahweh".
20- Hashabiah means "Jehovah has considered".
21- Mattithiah means "Gift of Jehovah".
22- Michael (nick name "Mike") means "who
is like God". Yet, non is like Him, the Almighty. See
Exodus 8:10.
23- Jesus, Yahshua, Yeshua or Yashua are the SAME NAME, and
mean "Salvation". It doesn't mean "God Saves" as Christians
claim. Jesus (Yeshua) means in Hebrew "salvation" and not "God
saves". Yud Shin Waw Ain - this name doesn't include the word "God".
Joshua (Yehoshya) - Yod Hey - Waw Shin Ain
Isaya (Yeshayah) - Yod Shin Ain - Yod Hey .
These two names are combination of Yod, Shin, Ain - salvation and Yod, Hey - Yahwe.
Yosh Hey (Yah) is common short from Yahwe, for example Alleluia comes from "Halelu
Yah" - "Glorify Yahwe".
I confirmed the correctness of the above translations with the Jewish
Sabbath Temple. See also how the Christian Translators are in error regarding some of the
translations of the "Godly" names that were fixed above.
In the above examples, we clearly see that the old Jewish culture gave
"Godly" titles to people who are not in anyway divine.
Notice that in Isaiah 9:6, it clearly says "and his NAME
shall be...." This clearly proves that "Mighty God"
is just a name given to the coming Prophet (Jesus). Since this is just a name, this
also clearly proves other people in the old Jewish culture were named that name before,
even if they're not mentioned in the current Bible.
Have Isaiah 9:6 said "and he will be God Almighty
Himself" or "and he will be the God Almighty"
then this would be different, because we now would be talking about not just a NAME given
to someone, but rather GOD Almighty Himself.
Important Note: There is not a
single Verse in the New Testament where Jesus was called directly or named directly
"Mighty God" or "God". Notice in Isaiah 9:6 it clearly says
"and his name shall be...." Jesus was called "Son of GOD" as
many others in the Bible were called Sons of GOD as shown below in this article, but he
never even once was addressed as "Mighty God" or "God", nor he ever
claimed to be "Mighty God" or "God".
The Jews believe that Isaiah 9:6 was referring to somebody else, other than
Jesus. The Book of Isaiah which obviously contains Isaiah 9:6 came 700 before the
birth of Jesus. The Jews had absolutely no problem calling somebody who came 700
years before Jesus "El Gibor (Mighty God)". That person's name is Hezekiah. The Jews believe that
Isaiah 9:6 is referring to Hezekiah and not Jesus, and they did indeed address Hezekiah as
"Mighty God". This proves that many people before Jesus were named even at
birth "El Gibor (Mighty God)", just like people were also named "Ezekiel
(Strong God)", "Elli (God)", "Gabriel (Strong God)", etc...
2- The
"Mighty God" translation:
"Mighty God" in Isaiah 9:6 is "El Gibor". This is not exactly
"Mighty God", but close. "Strong" is more correct (but it is
different from strong of "hazak"). Here both El and Gibor are nouns - this
is short full spell is "El Hu Gibor".
Anyway "El Gibor" and "Gabriel" are same thing. They both mean
"Strong God". "Gabriel" is an angel's name in the Bible.
The word "Gibor" in Isaiah 9:6 and the word "Gibor" of Gabriel have
exactly the same root, and they are both the same word. The word itself can also be
translated as "Man of God".
By the way, "EL" can also mean "Judge". So "El
Gibor" can also be translated as "Strong Judge".
The "Mighty God" translation is just one possibility. This type of
differences in translation exists throughout the Hebrew language, where words' meaning
change depending on the sentence. That is why there is no one single solid Bible
Translation!. Theologians have difficulties agreeing on some key issues in
translations. That's why we see so many different Bibles with so many different
translations.
But anyhow, even if "Mighty God" was the right translation, it is still just
a NAME given to Jesus and nothing more. It doesn't in anyway prove that he is the
creator of the Universe. Many people as shown above were given the misleading
"Godly" titles before Jesus.
3- Did Jesus
ever claim to be "Mighty God" or "God"?
From Sheikh Ahmed Deedat's work; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him:
Let us look at John 10:30 "I
(Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely
misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to
the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers
as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them
out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able
to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One."
These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the
sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in
everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave
them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely
negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All
includes everyone even Jesus.
Also let us look at verse John 17:20-22 "That the ALL may be made ONE. Like thou Father art in me, I in thee,
that they may be ONE in us. I in them, they in me, that they may be perfect in ONE".
In this verse, the same word ONE used, the Greek, HEN is used, not only to describe
Jesus and the Father but to describe Jesus, the Father and eleven of the twelve disciples
of Jesus. So here if that implies equality, we have a unique case of 13 Gods.
Of the verse in question, "I and the Father are
One" in (John 10:30), we also need to take note of the verses following the 30th verse
in the text. In those verses, the Jews accuse Jesus falsely of claiming to be God by these
words. He however replies, proving their accusation wrong by their own text: "The Jews answered him saying,'For a good work we stone thee not, but
for blasphemy, and because that thou being a man, makest thyself a God '" (John 10:33).
Jesus replies to this accusation saying: "Jesus answered them, 'Is it not written
in your Law, "I said ye are gods. If He can call them gods,
unto whom the word of God came, say ye of him whom the Father hath sanctified and sent
into the world, "Thou blasphemeth," because I said I am the son of God?'" (John 10:34-36).
Let us look at Acts 2:22 "O you
men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN approved of God among
you..." Peter in the Book of Acts testifies about Jesus. Jesus thus even to his disciples, as to early Christians, not
poisoned by Pauline doctrine, was a man, not a God.
From www.jewsforjudaism.org:
Question: In John 10:30 Jesus says, "I and the Father are
one [hen]." Doesn't this show that they are one in essence?
This statement does not suggest either a dual or triune deity. What John's Jesus meant by
the word hen ("one") becomes clear from his prayer concerning the apostles:
"That they may be one [hen], just as we are one [hen]" (John 17:22), which means
that they should be united in agreement with one another as he (Jesus) is always united in
agreement with God, as stated: "I [Jesus] always do the things that are pleasing to
Him [God]" (John 8:29).
There is thus no implication that Jesus and God, or the twelve apostles are to be
considered as of one essence.
Please visit Does calling Jesus "Son of
God" prove that he is GOD?
Do People and
Angels bowing down to Jesus in Worship really prove that he is the Creator of the
Universe? See how the word "Worship" used for Jesus
doesn't even exist in the original Greek Bibles. The Trinitarian English
translations are nothing but hoaxes and deceptions.
Did Jews continually
try to stone Jesus prove that he claimed to be GOD?
Jesus said "I am the
way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
Does that make him GOD?
Jesus claimed
that whoever saw him saw the Father. Wouldn't that prove that Jesus is GOD Himself (i.e., the Creator of the Universe)?
Does Baptizing prove Trinity?
Does GOD's spirit in Jesus prove that Jesus is
GOD? Others had it too.
Answering John 1:1
Did Jesus ever claim to be "Mighty
God" or "God"? Responding to the "I and the Father
are one. (John 10:30)" claim.
Thomas is misunderstood in verse John 20:28.
Does Jesus saying "I am" prove that he is
GOD?
Misunderstanding Jesus' claim about him being
the "Alpha and Omega".
4- Questions
to you:
From the names above, do you honestly think that "Strong God", "Yahweh is
Strong God", "Yahweh Saves", "God", "Yahweh", "My
God is He", "God is Salvation", "Jehovah is Great" and
"Mighty God" have much differences in their meanings?
I mean, why consider Jesus as GOD Himself, which is a great blasphemy, when he was
given a normal "Godly" title that was given to others before him?
If Jesus was named "Jehovah is Great (Gedaliah)" for instance, then we would
see Trinitarian Christians trying their best to prove that he is GOD Almighty Himself.
Why then not consider the people who were named "Gedaliah" before and
after Jesus as GOD Almighty Himself also? Why not consider these people divine as
well?
Important Note: So if Jesus was
named "Michael or Mike (who is like God)", then we would see Trinitarian
Christians claim that he is GOD Almighty, since Exodus 8:10 clearly states that there is
non like GOD, and yet Jesus (Mike) is like GOD which would without a doubt make him GOD.
This is the type of false interpretations and conclusions that Trinitarian Christians
fall into.
Very Important Note: The reason
why the foretold person would be regarded as "Mighty God" is not because he will
be GOD Almighty Himself. His name or title being "Mighty God" is nothing
but a way to show that the person will be very important and very powerful. He will
be like a God on earth because of his Might. I must emphasize that again, the
person's "NAME" will be called "Mighty God". Isaiah 9:6 never
said that the person will be GOD Almighty Himself, or GOD Almighty will be that person.
The word "NAME" means that the name will be
just a (misleading) Godly title as many misleading Godly titles were given to others
before and after Jesus peace be upon him in the Bible. I must
also emphasize that in the New Testament, Jesus was not even once called or addressed as
"Mighty God" or "God", nor did he ever claim to be "Mighty
God" or "God". So if he were indeed the foretold person in
Isaiah 9:6 (which I personally believe he were), then this means that Jesus peace be upon
him is not GOD Almighty, but a powerful Messenger of GOD Almighty or someone who has Might
that was chosen by GOD Almighty. The Jews as I mentioned above, believe that the
person is Hezekiah and not Jesus. Either way, the person in Isaiah 9:6 is not GOD
Almighty Himself.
5- Is Jesus
the biological Son of GOD?
Trinitarian Christians claim that since Jesus was called "Son of GOD", then
this would make him the Creator of the Universe Himself. This is a great blasphemy,
because this belief holds no concrete ground what so ever!. You do not call someone
GOD Almighty Himself from a conclusion, especially when it easily can be refuted.
Many people before Jesus were called "Sons of GOD" in the Bible. Let us
look at few of them:
1- Exodus 4:22 "Thus saith
Jehovah, Israel is my son, even my firstborn." Israel was GOD's Son before Jesus since Israel is the "first
born". Does this make Israel divine?
2- Jeremiah 31:9 "I am a father
to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn." Ephraim
is another name for Israel.
3- Psalm 2:7 "....Jehovah had said onto me (David), thou art my Son;
this day have I begotten thee." Since GOD
Almighty chose David to be His begotten Son, does this make David divine too?
4- Psalm 82:6 "I
said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.' "