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The bible is a book that contains countless contradictions and corruptions as ironically the bible's own theologians openly admit!  They even claim that it contains fables and fairy tales:

101 Contradictions in the Bible!

My response to Quennel Gale's rebuttal to my article "Just who were the real authors of the Bible?":

This article is a refutation to Quennel Gale and Sam Shamoun's article which is located at: http://answer-islam.org/whowrotegospel.html.   It was mostly written by Quennel Gale.  Therefore, I will use "He wrote" when referring to the other side's writings.

He wrote:

Introduction

Here we will investigate Osama's theories about who the real authors of the Bible were. He claims that the NIV mentions about the Bible not being the true word of God. However after reading this and looking at his allegations, you will see just how false his arguments really are.

My response:

These old paragraphs of mine had been revised to these new ones:

Just who were the real authors of the Bible?

The quotes in green below are from the NIV Bible's commentary.  Before each Book/Gospel, there are few pages explaining the history of it.  I was shocked to see that most of today's Bible's Books and Gospels are doubtful and unreliable. I will start with the New Testament first, and then the Old Testament second.  The bibliography of the NIV Bible that I used is listed at the end of this article.

After thoroughly reading this article, I would like you to answer the following questions:

1- Is all of the Bible GOD's Divine Revelations?
2- Did the Prophets of GOD really write the Bible of today?
3- Is the Bible perfect?
4- Did man indeed corrupt the Bible?
5- Is the Bible of today reliable?

If your answer is no to most of or all of the above questions except for #4, then allow me to say that your faith has serious problems!

He wrote:

We will examine Osama's claim about the Bible being corrupt and whether the NIV actually says what he claims. We will look at these commentaries as well as expose his silly idea of Bible corruption. He says that we shouldn't take the Bible as the full word of God. However this is the same thing the NIV commentators also do. After reading this article you will see that all Muslim claims to biblical corruption, including those by Osama are very reliant on misquotes.

For one thing when you check out the name on Osama's page of his alleged Christian, you find out that you can't email him. We wonder why? Is Osama telling us that he isn't man enough to put a person's email to verify his claim along with allowing us to show both sides of the argument? It seems like this is the case. This information about Mark 16 is answered thoroughly in down in this paper.

My response:

Quennel Gale is known to be low, unprofessional and intimidating (often offensive) in his arguments.   Notice how he immediately said "Is Osama telling us that he isn't man enough to put a person's email to verify...."  It was requested by Mr. R. Mercer that I don't post his first name and email information, and that's exactly what I did.  If I remember correctly, I asked him if I could replace his first name with "R." and he said ok.

Just for the reader's convenience, Quennel Gale is a low-life loser who sends email bombs and possibly forged emails to non-Christians.  I have exposed him in good details with images as proofs that showed how much of a low-life loser he is.  Here is a sample image of what he did to my email box:

This is a small sample of this coward’s emails that he keeps sending
to me.  The above image contains only 10 emails from the 143 emails that he sent
to my AOL Account that I have listed on my main page. I captured this "JPG" file after deleting
most of his junk emails.

He wrote:

That is fine, however the NIV commentary is the same throughout all NIV bibles. But we also appeal to both the NIV Study bible and the NIV Living Insights Bible, which came a year later.

However Osama Abdallah insist that the NIV claims that the Bible was corrupted. He claims that his quotes prove his point and therefore he believes that the entire bible is false. Well lets show you the official NIV prefix commentary that is found in every NIV BIBLE. (NOTE THIS LETTER IS ALSO online at this link which is a response to claims about the NIV and its translation of God's word). We will present both preface information from the NIV Bible book as well as some excerpts from the site. Lets see what they say:

Here we see that the NIV publishers and authors look at the Bible as God's own revelation and not corrupted as Osama says that they claim!!!

My response:

Only a biased or an extremely foolish person would not see that the opinion of the NIV authors about the Bible is irrelevant, while the historical information that they provided that was backed by lots of books' references are the relevant information.  I used those quotes and clearly and irrefutably proved that most of the books and gospels of the Bible are very doubtful.

He wrote:

Not only is Osama a liar but he slanders the NIV committe by claiming that their version of the bible proves that God's word is corrupted!!

My response:

How am I being a liar when I quote things like the following that they themselves wrote based on historical evidence about the books and gospels of the Bible?

"Although there is no direct internal evidence of authorship,...."

"Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark......"

"Although the author does not name himself....."

etc...

It's not me who is being the liar here Quennel.  It's you who lacks a great deal of manners by giving direct insults, and who also lacks the ability to see the clear contradiction between the NIV Bible's committee's comments about the entire Bible being the perfect Word of GOD Almighty, and the historical evidence that they showed that clearly refutes this very statement.

He wrote:

The NIV committe continues by saying:

Again we see that the NIV takes the bible as God's revelation, despite the evil and satanic slander of Osama Abdallah. He is such a loser who has to resort to outright lies to prove his point to desperate Muslims.

My response:

Again, how am I being a "loser" when I quote things like the following that the NIV Bible committee themselves wrote based on historical evidence about the books and gospels of the Bible?

"Although there is no direct internal evidence of authorship,...."

"Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark......"

"Although the author does not name himself....."

etc...

Again, it's not me who is being the loser here Quennel.  It's you who lacks a great deal of manners by giving direct insults, and who also lacks the ability to see the clear contradiction between the NIV Bible's committee's comments about the entire Bible being the perfect Word of GOD Almighty, and the historical evidence that they showed that clearly refutes this very statement.

He wrote:

Now lets look at the NIV preface which is present in all their bibles, here are some excerpts which throughly refute Osama Abdallah:

Since Osama believes that the original name of God is Allah, and he appeals to the NIV to prove his points on bible corruption, lets let the NIV answer his bogus claims:

See!! LORD, not Allah. Now lets let NIV conclude with this:

That sums it all. Osama's lie about the NIV claiming that the Bible is corrupt is a utterly false and has nothing to stand on other than his usual misquotes. We presented this information to Osama over and over and he has avoided it everytime, not even given a response as to how can the bible be corrupt according to the NIV, when they claim in the preface that it is the wholly inspired word of God. In order to fool his reader, Osama must constantly use the fallacy of exclusion by quoting parts here and there and eliminating other important material.

My response:

Anyone who visits my The original name for GOD Almighty in Aramaic and Hebrew was indeed "Allah", would immediately see that I used original Hebrew and Aramaic sources to prove my claim.  I didn't rely heavily on the NIV Bible to prove this as Quennel falsely and irresponsibly claims.

He wrote:

Exposing Osama's intentional slander

In this section Osama begins his assault on the New Testament.

OSAMA'S FALLACY: IF THE BOOK WASN'T WRITTEN BY THE ORIGINAL AUTHOR ONLY IT'S NOT GOD'S WORD.

My response:

Osama's fallacy?  Quennel, what's wrong with this simple theory that if the book/gospel was not written by an original disciple of Jesus, then the book can not be regarded as the perfect and incorruptible Holy Word of GOD Almighty?  Even the worst of the foolish can understand this simple theory!  I feel sorry for you and your lack of manners Quennel.  All you do is give insults and make yourself look like a comical clown.

He wrote:

If you notice throughout his paper, Osama has established a logically flawed argument due to the fact that he believes that if the author doesn't give his name or if it isn't written by the author it isn't the word of God. However Osama has nothing to base this conclusion on since he is using his opinion as a final standard to build his argument. Therefore since he has not shown any Biblical reference to prove his point, his whole argument is based on "MY OWN OPINION".

My response:

I don't build my arguments by saying "my own opinion".  I also did not establish flawed arguments when I present quotes such as the following about the books and gospels:

"Although there is no direct internal evidence of authorship,...."

"Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark......"

"Although the author does not name himself....."

"The writer of this letter does not identify himself....."

"In the third century, however, an African bishop named Dionysius compared the language, style and thought of the Apocalypse (Revelation) with that of the other writings of John and decided that the book could not been written by the apostle of John....."

etc...

Any honest person would clearly see the Truth in my argument Quennel.  Your deceptions will only work on the fools and the blinds in spirit such as yourself, but they will utterly fail with the sincere and real Truth seekers.

He wrote:

We have asked Osama over and over to show us where it is a explict rule that all the authors of the names of the book should write it. He has yet to produce this proof. He knows the difficulty of his position therefore he must ignore our challenge and then proceed with his usual slander.

My response:

Quennel, if it wasn't for the sake of my readers, I would not have taken the time to respond to your nonsensical arguments and foolish comments.  The quotes that I presented above would clearly trigger serious concerns and doubts to any serious Truth seeker!  How can any real GOD-fearing, GOD-respecting and GOD-glorifying person take the nonsense that exist in your Bible as 100% perfect Words of GOD Almighty?

He wrote:

Osama attempts to interpolates his idea after posting part of the quote of the NIV. He then makes a unprovable accusation about the New testament not even being documented until 150 years later.

My response:

I have added more proofs that show the corruption of the gospel of Mark.  Here is what my latest notes say:

Note:  Pay attention to the bolded parts to see even more irrefutable proofs FROM THE NIV BIBLE'S COMMENTARY ITSELF about man's alteration and corruption of this gospel.

The Gospel of Mark:

"Although there is no direct internal evidence of authorship, it was the unanimous testimony of the early church that this Gospel was written by John Mark.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1488)"

So, in reality, we don't really know whether Mark was the sole author of this Gospel or not. And since The New Testament wasn't even documented on paper until 150-300 years (depending on what Christian you talk to) after Jesus, then how are we to know for sure that the current "Gospel of Mark" wasn't written by some pro of Mark?

I hope you see the real danger in making these assumptions when you are willing to DIE for the fact that such Gospel is the actual True Word of GOD Almighty!

Further regarding this Gospel, we read the following commentary about Mark 16:9-20:

"Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark.  They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark.  His Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or its original ending has been lost.  (From the NIV Bible Foot Notes, page 1528)"

This quote raises a very serious issue here.  First of all, as we've seen above in the first quote, we have no evidence that proves that John Mark was the sole author of this so called "Gospel".  Second of all, we see that this Gospel has some serious problems/suspicions in it.  The issue of Mark 16:9-20 is a scary one, because many Christian cults today use poisonous snakes in their worship and end up dying.  

Removing Mark 16:9-20 is quite appreciated by me personally (to be quite honest with you), because it prevents people from dying from snake bites.  But however, the serious issue of man's corruption of the Bible remains. 

We can be absolutely certain now that the above quotes prove without a doubt that the Bible is doubtful.  The quote "or its original ending has been lost" proves that what we call today "Gospels" were not written by their original authors such as Mark, John, Matthew, etc...  It proves that the Gospel had been tampered with by man.  Let alone considering it as the True Living Words of GOD Almighty. 

If John Mark wasn't the one who wrote Mark 16:9-20, then who did? And how can you prove the ownership of the other person? Let alone proving that it was GOD Almighty's Revelation.  And as we saw in the first quote above, we don't even know that John Mark was indeed the one who wrote the so called "Gospel of Mark".

To say the least in our case here, we now have enough evidence to discard the entire Gospel of Mark from the Bible, because you can't take bits and pieces of it and say some of it belongs to him and some of it doesn't!  Let alone considering the entire corrupted Gospel as the True Living Word of GOD Almighty, which is a complete blasphemy.

Please visit A dangerous forgery was inserted at the end of the so-called "Gospel of Mark".

Quennel, if this is not sufficient enough for you to prove that the whole gospel of Mark is doubtful and not perfect (to say the least), then you obviously have no intentions to learn the Truth.

He wrote:

Since he claims that the NIV proves this lets see what the NIV's Commentary on Mark says about these matters.

According to the NIV, the unanimous testimony to the authorship of this book was based on very important evidence from trusted traditions.

My response:

How can this claim be accurate when they, the NIV committee, themselves wrote the following:

"Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark.  They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark.  His Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or its original ending has been lost.  (From the NIV Bible Foot Notes, page 1528)"

How can "Mark ACCURATELY PRESERVED this material" when there is an obvious forgery inserted in his gospel?!

He wrote:

Osama leaves this quotation out of his paper to give his reader the impression that the NIV agrees that Mark was corrupted. The NIV says that Mark preserved the material accurately, not corruptedly and hence the reason why Mark wouldn't write his name down as the author, but yet this gospel is attributed to him, is because of the fact that it comes from the preaching of Peter.

My response:

Osama left nothing out to decieve the reader.  All Osama did was produce a simple proof that this gospel is a total joke.  You can go around my arguments all you want by writing long and boring articles, but the fact still remains:  Serious forgeries and man's alterations were inserted into this gospel, and neither you or the NIV committee can deny that.  In other words Quennel, your Bible contains garbage.  Thanks to the NIV Bible committee for helping me prove this point.

He wrote:

Anybody who is able to view the entire quote will easily see that Mark was a scribe who documented the preaching of Peter muc like Muhammad's follwers did with the Quran. Documentation 150-300 years? NIV debunks this:

Osama has just ignored this part dealing with Mark. The NIV Living Insights Bible dates Mark's Gospel to 50 a.d.!!! Far from being 150-300 years after the events! The NIV Study Bible helps concur with this:

Osama is deriving his information about the Gospel's authorship from outdated sources from the late 1800's. Notice that the NIV says no such thing as he claim. Also look at his defense, "what ever Christian you talk too"? So he is basing his whole information on hearsay!! This is not only hilarious but is the fallacy of appealing to dubious and unknown authority. We wonder what Christian did he ask this question? A Muslim Christian? Hilarious!!!

My response:

Even if we were to take your argument that the book of Mark, the first gospel in the NT, was written around 50 to 60 A.D., then this still a too much time of long delay to preserve the Truth!  50 to 60 years is more than 1/2 century.  That's a lot of time!  You need to know that the Bible was first communicated by words of mouth.   Man's alterations and opinions and innovations had littered the Bible:

From www.answering-christianity.com/sake4.htm

Is the Bible 100% faultless and untampered with by the Church?

Well then, in spite of these facts are the records found in the New Testament known to be 100% completely and fully authentic such that no intentional nor unintentional changes have ever been made by the church to the text of the NT? Well, since our opinion in this matter might be biased, therefore, let us ask the Christian scholars themselves:

"It is well known that the primitive Christian Gospel was initially transmitted by word of mouth and that this oral tradition resulted in variant reporting of word and deed. It is equally true that when the Christian record was committed to writing it continued to be the subject of verbal variation. Involuntary and intentional, at the hands of scribes and editors"

Peake's Commentary on the Bible, p. 633

"Yet, as a matter of fact, every book of the New Testament with the exception of the four great Epistles of St. Paul is at present more or less the subject of controversy, and interpolations are asserted even in these."

Encyclopaedia Brittanica, 12th Ed. Vol. 3, p. 643

Dr. Lobegott Friedrich Konstantin Von Tischendorf, one of the most adamant conservative Christian defenders of the Trinity and one of the Church's foremost scholars of the Bible was himself driven to admit that:

"[the New Testament had] in many passages undergone such serious modification of meaning as to leave us in painful uncertainty as to what the Apostles had actually written"

Secrets of Mount Sinai, James Bentley, p. 117

After listing many examples of contradictory statements in the Bible, Dr. Frederic Kenyon says:

"Besides the larger discrepancies, such as these, there is scarcely a verse in which there is not some variation of phrase in some copies [of the ancient manuscripts from which the Bible has been collected]. No one can say that these additions or omissions or alterations are matters of mere indifference"

Our Bible and the Ancient Manuscripts, Dr. Frederic Kenyon, Eyre and Spottiswoode, p. 3

The Jehovah's Witnesses in their "AWAKE" Magazine dated 8th September 1957 published the following headline: "50,000 Errors in the Bible" wherein they say "..there are probably 50,000 errors in the Bible...errors which have crept into the Bible text...50,000 such serious errors..." After all of this, however, they go on to say: "...as a whole the Bible is accurate."

Throughout this book you will find countless other similar quotations from some of Christendom's leading scholars. Let us suffice with these for now.

He wrote:

Osama again is interpolating the NIV commentary verse by claiming that "John Mark was the Sole author of this Gospel" Then he rambles on about how Christian cults use posionous snakes in their worship. He is so desperate to prove his idea of Bible corruption until he has to resort to using christian cults which he sees on the X-Files to debunk Christianity!! Maybe we should relieve his folly and tell him that serpents in the Bible doesn't always refer to literal snakes, but devils also.

My response:

Quennel Gale intentionally did not paste the following paragraphs:

"If John Mark wasn't the one who wrote Mark 16:9-20, then who did? And how can you prove the ownership of the other person? Let alone proving that it was GOD Almighty's Revelation.  And as we saw in the first quote above, we don't even know that John Mark was indeed the one who wrote the so called "Gospel of Mark".

To say the least in our case here, we now have enough evidence to discard the entire Gospel of Mark from the Bible, because you can't take bits and pieces of it and say some of it belongs to him and some of it doesn't!  Let alone considering the entire corrupted Gospel as the True Living Word of GOD Almighty, which is a complete blasphemy."

Care to respond to these two paragprahs Quennel?

In regards to serpents, only a person full of deceptions such as yourself would try to twist the word's meaning to push his lie.  Serpents mean snakes.  Your Bible issues that challenge and it utterly failed and is still failing to meet it.

Please visit A dangerous forgery was inserted at the end of the so-called "Gospel of Mark".

He wrote:

Again, more interpolation by Osama. He claims that Mark's ending proves that the Gospel wasn't written by its original authors. However that isn't what his quote says at all. It says

The NIV calls the writing Mark's Gospel!! It said it probably ended here, not that it is proven that it ended at 16:8. Osama is guilty of trying to make the NIV commentary apply to all the Gospels when it gives only a probability that Mark's Gospel ended. However, historical textual evidence illustrates that Mark’s Gospel is two-fold in ending with both an abridged and unabridged versions. Read:

History has shown that Mark has both a short as well as an unabrigdged ending. Most authorities have Mark 16:9-20. It is only "SOME" who mark it as doubtful. Most means more than Some. That is whay the NIV said that the ending:

They were aware that most MSS have this verse and it would be incorrect to claim that this verse was a later insertion! Osama's whole evidence was based on probable evidence. If he wanted to prove that Mark 16:9-20 was clearly a later addition, surely he could've furnished a NIV quote that explicitly says "THIS GOSPEL DEFINITELY ENDED AT VERSE 8 AND THE REST IS A LATER INSERTION". However his quote says nothing about this issue, aince it speaks of it only being probable. Why? Because it is historically known that there are two endings to Mark amongst the extant MSS, a long and short one. Mark is known as the Abridged Gospel, and the shorter ending is an abridgement of this abridged Gospel as we will see just a little later. Furthermore, the doctrines taught in these disputed passages are established in other undisputed passages of the Gospels. But let's see what the NIV says about Mark before dealing with Mark 16:9:

Hence, even before we reach the 16th chapter the NIV emphatically affirms that Jesus died and bore our sins, demonstrating that the NIV translators believe in the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus Christ and the authenticity of the Bible. We have just cited evidence that Mark 16:9-20 is found in most of thee MSS and exposed Osama's evidence as doubtful since it is based only on probability and not on hard core evidence. So we now turn to a range of scripture references that Scholars have shown to be related to Mark 16:9-20. These references from undisputed passages establish the teaching of Mark's longer ending:

There are tons of references that demonstrate the fact of Mark's Gospel being based on the authentic Gospel of Jesus Christ as shown in the other undisputed passages of the canonical Gospels. Notice that Osama didn't bother to even look at any scripture cross references.

My response:

The different "Canons" of the Bible!

Different and conflicting variations of "gospels" and "books" that are disagreed upon by the Churches today.

Again Quennel, the quote from the NIV Bible reads as follows:

"Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark.  They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark.  His Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or its original ending has been lost.  (From the NIV Bible Foot Notes, page 1528)"

Tell me Quennel, why was Mark 16:9-20 absent from "important early manuscripts"?  Wasn't the whole gospel preserved as a whole by John Mark?   Obviously not!  In fact, the documentation of this gospel did not happen till 1/2 century later.  It is obvious and beyond any doubt that man's alteration, innovations and corruption had entered this gospel.  Otherwise, we would not have missing parts of it from "important early manuscripts".

From www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_false_prophecies.htm

False and failed Prophecies about the Hour put in the mouth of Jesus in the New Testament:

The sections of this article are:

1-  Jesus' false prophecies in Mark 13.
2-  The Jesus of Islam is not a liar.
3-  Conclusion. My advise to the reader.

Jesus' false prophecies in Mark 13:

In the Bible, we see Jesus boldly promising for some serious and major Prophecies about the Hour to pass before the generation of his disciples dies.  The Prophecies never got fulfilled!  Let us look at chapter Mark 13 in the NIV Bible:

Mark 13

Signs of the End of the Age

1  As he was leaving the temple, one of his disciples said to him, "Look, Teacher! What massive stones! What magnificent buildings!"
2  "Do you see all these great buildings?" replied Jesus. "Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."
3  As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John and Andrew asked him privately,
4  "Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are all about to be fulfilled?"
5  Jesus said to them: "Watch out that no one deceives you.
6  Many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and will deceive many.
7  When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.
8  Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains.
9  "You must be on your guard. You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them.
10  And the gospel must first be preached to all nations.
11  Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit.
12  "Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child. Children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death.
13  All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.
14  "When you see 'the abomination that causes desolation' [1] standing where it [2] does not belong--let the reader understand--then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
15  Let no one on the roof of his house go down or enter the house to take anything out.
16  Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak.
17  How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers!
18  Pray that this will not take place in winter,
19  because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now--and never to be equaled again.
20  If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them.
21  At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ [3] !' or, 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it.
22  For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect--if that were possible.
23  So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.
24  "But in those days, following that distress,
" 'the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
25  the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.' [4]
26  "At that time men will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory.
27  And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.
28"  Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near.
29  Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door.
30  I tell you the truth, this generation [5] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
31Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

The Day and Hour Unknown

32  "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
33  Be on guard! Be alert [6] ! You do not know when that time will come.
34  It's like a man going away: He leaves his house and puts his servants in charge, each with his assigned task, and tells the one at the door to keep watch.
35  "Therefore keep watch because you do not know when the owner of the house will come back--whether in the evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or at dawn.
36  If he comes suddenly, do not let him find you sleeping.
37  What I say to you, I say to everyone: 'Watch!' "

Foot Notes:
1. 13:14 Daniel 9:27; 11:31; 12:11
2. 13:14 Or he; also in verse 29
3. 13:21 Or Messiah
4. 13:25 Isaiah 13:10; 34:4
5. 13:30 Or race
6. 13:33 Some manuscripts alert and pray

Few points to notice:

1-  In Mark 13:4, Jesus began speaking about the Signs of the Hour.  His disciples got anxious and wanted to know when the Hour would come.

2-  Jesus in Mark 13:5-27 began speaking about the false deceivers and false prophets and other signs.

3-  Jesus in Mark 13:30 boldly says: "I tell you the truth, this generation [5] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened."  Jesus' disciples have died, and it's been now more than 2000 years after Jesus, and still the Hour has not come yet.

4-  Jesus in Mark 13:32-33 clearly stated that no one except for GOD Almighty knows when the Hour would come.  But if you look closely at his words and the grammar, you would see that even though Jesus never gave an exact date to the Hour, he did mean to say that it will come soon -- while his disciples were still alive!  This point is clearly proved in Mark 13:30, where Jesus promised that "this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened", and in Mark 13:33, where Jesus warned his disciples to be on a constant lookout for the Hour, since it could happen at any moment before their generation dies or passes.

He wrote:

Really Osama? Lets see what the NIV says concerning whether Mark is the Word of God:

According to the NIV Study bible, Mark gave the people in Rome "THE LIFE OF JESUS", whom the NIV calls "OUR LORD"!! If Mark was corrupted why would they say this? They would say that it wasn't the life of Jesus, nor woudl they call Jesus THEIR LORD if they didn't believe in the authenticity and inspiration of Bible!! Here is more information:

The NIV says exactly the opposite of what Osama is trying to convey to his reader!!! See it for yourself; Mark, according the NIV was not only inspired, but he was under the inspiration of the HOLY GHOST! So Much for Osama proving that the Gospel of Mark isn't the word of God according to the NIV!

Look at the quote closely, it says EVIDENCE IN AND OUTSIDE THE SCRIPTURE ITSELF LED TO THE CONCLUSION OF LUKE'S AUTHORSHIP. Osama then makes a weak argument saying that this was just a mere conclusion. He then asks if this isn't just a man-made Satanic book. Maybe he forgot to see that the EVIDENCE showed that it wasn't a man made book. As for his idea about the book not being inspired by God Almighty I challenge him to show us one reference where it says that God personally wrote the Quran. All he has is Muhammad’s claim that God spoke to him. Is this evidence Osama? Let’s expose him for misquoting the NIV again:

My response:

Quennel, you are a total joke!  The testimonies in Muratorian Canon are as good as your personal testimony since they came in 170 A.D.; 150 years after Jesus -- a century and a half after Jesus!  Need we say more?  To you yes, but to the reader, no.   I think the reader understands well what I am talking about.

He wrote:

Notice that Osama has argued elsewhere that the Bible doesn't have extra biblical evidence to support it but yet when this evidence is shown, including evidence from within the text itself, Osama has to resort to a sudden case of forgetfulness along with misquotes to prove his case. This shows us that his stance from the NIV is so weak that it is simply pathetic. Here we furnish as evidence the comments of Sir William Ramsey. Ramsey, considered one of the world's greatest archaeologists, believed that the New Testament (particularly the books of Luke and Acts) were second-century forgeries. He spent thirty years digging in Asia Minor in order to produce evidence proving that Luke-Acts was nothing more than a lie. At the conclusion of his long journey however, he was compelled to admit that the New Testament was a first-century compilation and that the Holy Bible is historically reliable. This fact led to his conversion and embracing of the very faith he once believed to be a hoax. Dr. Ramsey stated:

Ramsey further said:

Osama shouldn't have a problem with Mr. Ramsey since he used him as a reference in his "History of Man's Corruption of the Bible". Again we see that he is only good at misquoting authors, making them say the exact opposite of what they really claim.

My response:

Again, as I proved above, the Bible was first communicated orally.  It wasn't documented until many many years after Jesus!  What you have today from manuscripts were never claimed by any person.  All you have are mere conclusions that books and gospels were written by certain disciples.  But you have no solid proof to stand on what so ever!  In fact, the missing parts of manuscripts as in the case of Mark 16:9-20 clearly prove that these manuscripts were altered and corrupted by men.  Otherwise, they should've been perfectly preserved with authorship claimed for each one of them.

He wrote:

Again Osama misquotes the NIV since this is what it actually says:

How explicit can you get? Here are more quotes from the NIV:

We wonder what was Osama's excuse for eliminating the rest of this information on his site? Again where does the NIV explicitly say that this book wasn't God's word and that it is corrupted? Osama has yet to provide us with any detailed proof.

Osama seems confused since he thinks that Luke writing for Theophilus somehow entails a compromise on the part of Luke. Luke was writing with the purpose and intention of convincing Theophilus of the truth of the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. Osama conveniently stops in the middle of a sentence, as seen in his citation of Luke 1:3. Now let us read this in context:

On his page about Bible corruption, OSAMA MAKES A SLIP AND ADMITS THAT LUKE WAS THE AUTHOR!! READ HIS COMMENTS:

Notice that here he claims that the reason why Luke's Gospel isn't inspired is BECAUSE IT WAS WRITTEN BY LUKE!!! Yet, in this article he claims that he doesn't even know who the real author is!! Does Osama suffer from amnesia or epilepsy? Even the NIV states clearly that Luke wrote the Gospel of Luke, basing their view on careful scholarly investigation of the evidences:

Osama also argues from silence when he claims that Luke never claimed that he was inspired. Luke never DENIED he was inspired either, sow hat does this prove? Absolutely nothing. When we look at how the first Christians viewed Luke’s Gospel, we discover that they both KNEW and AFFIRMED that it was an inspired revelation from God:

Paul quotes Deuteronomy 25:4 AND LUKE 10:7:

Here, Paul calls Luke’s Gospel Scripture and places it on the same level of Moses’ writings! Additional evidence that Paul is citing Luke's Gospel can be seen from a comparison of the Greek:

So much for Osama’s denial of Luke’s inspiration! Osama continues:

Since Osama agrees that the NIV focuses on historical information, we will turn to it for the dating of this Gospel, as opposed to basing our arguments on what some hypothetical Christian may say. (It is obvious that Osama is making things up again since he doesn’t even bother to name who these Christians are, which shows that he has never talked to them). Here is what the NIV commentary says:

It is clear that Osama simply picks and chooses what he likes from the NIV since he completely ignores what the NIV says about the dating of these gospels. No NIV quote claims that the gospels date some 150-300 years after Christ. Osama knows that the NIV statements do not support his case, and simply decides to invent claims to look good to his readers. Osama continues:

Osama thinks that he can debunk the Bible because there were persons named Theophilus that came some 200-400 years after Jesus. The Catholic Encyclopedia mentions a second century Bishop named Theophilus:

The other Theophilus was the Patriarch of Alexandria in 385-412 AD. (source- http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14625a.htm)

You can even go here and see the entries for both these Theophiluses- http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/t.htm

Osama erroneously seeks to link the Theophilus of Luke’s Gospel with these two Christian figures of the second and fourth centuries solely because they have the same name! What Osama failed to tell his readers is that Theophilus is a common Greek name, just like Steve is a common name in English. My elementary school is named Theophilus. Osama obviously knows nothing about Christian history!

My response:

Jesus not only promised that the hour would come before the generation he was living among would pass in the book of Mark, but he also made the same promise in the book of Luke:

"Then he said to them all:  "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.  For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will save it.  What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit his very self?  If anyone is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.   I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God."  (From the NIV Bible, Luke 9:23-27)"

Similar to Mark 13:1-37 as shown above, Jesus in Luke 9:23-27 yet makes another promise that the hour would come before the generation he was living among would pass.  It is now 2,000 years after Jesus and the generation he was living among is all dead, and yet, the Hour have not come yet!  Need we say more about this corrupted gospel that no one on this earth know who originally wrote it?

He wrote:

It should be noted that Osama originally sought to link Luke’s Theophilus with the fourth century Patriarch. After being informed of this mistake, Osama later changed his information and tried to link Luke’s Theophilus with the Theophilus of 177 A.D. This shows just how deceitful Osama truly is.

My response:

Quennel, I don't remember that.  You either mistaked me with someone else, or you are a flat out liar!

He wrote:

Instead of simply acknowledging his mistake, he sought all the more harder to find any evidence which he thought would place Luke’s Gospel in the second century. However his own words contradict the fact that Theophilus of AD. 177 was the one Luke was writing to. Read what he says:

Osama claimed that Luke was writing to a president or leader named Theophilus, contradicting his assertion above that the Theophilus mentioned in the third Gospel is actually a second century Bishop!!! So who is Theophilus really? A leader in the first century, a second century Bishop or a fourth century Patriarch?

My response:

I wasn't contradicting myself.  The article was using references from the book of Luke without putting emphasis on it's historical corruption in that specific section.   Also, www.answering-christianity.com/sake.htm was not written by me personally.

He wrote:

Again your quote DOESN'T SAY THAT HEBREWS IS CORRUPTED. Until you show me that this quote does then I care less about how you interpret it.

My response:

My quote does not say the book is corrupted, but it does prove that it was written by a mysterious author, hence it was corrupted by man's innovation and alteration.  Even the worst of the foolish would understand this.  I don't know why it is too difficult for your messed up brain to comprehend this?!  Are you on drugs Quennel?

He wrote:

This only exposes your silly neophyte knowledge of Christian history.

My response:

With all due respect to the reader, but the only silly thing here is you Quennel for having such a ridiculous stupidity!

He wrote:

We quote the NIV regarding the authorship of Hebrews in order to demonstrate that Osama's assertions that this translation claims that the Bible is corrupt is an outright lie:

My response:

Before I let you continue with your quotes, I just want to make it clear to the reader that you are very ridiculous and silly for calling me a "liar".  Check my quotes for yourself, and you'll see that whatever I quoted is correct.  So in other words, it is not right for you to call me a "liar", when all I am doing is exposing the trash inside your corrupted Bible.

He wrote:

Osama basically tries to use the NIV’s statement that they wished the author had written his name as propaganda against the Holy Scriptures!

My response:

Your very first quote "Nobody really knows who wrote the letter to the Hebrews....." clearly and irrifutably proves my point!

He wrote:

Note the following from the NIV Study Bible:

According to the NIV, Christ is God's Final revelation to humankind. This eliminates any need for the Quran. Since Osama is quoting the NIV with authority, he must accept the fact that according to this source Osama believes in a false book!!

My response:

This eliminates the Noble Quran?  Says who Quennel?  Your NIV committee clowns?  Like I said earlier in my response, their opinions are irrelevant, but the historical facts they presented (which proved your Bible to be extremely doubtful) are relevant, because they are based on clear historical facts.

For the Miracles and Prophecies that were fulfilled in the Noble Quran, please visit: Science, Miracles and Prophecies in the Noble Quran and Islam.

He wrote:

Read what the NIV Study Bible says in the footnotes dealing with Christ:

The NIV’s explicit testimony to the Deity of Christ exposes Islam as a fraud, as well as exposing Osama's misapplication of the NIV notes. To drive it home read what the NIV says about Hebrews 1:5-14:

Not only does the NIV state that this book is inspired by God and is protected by the Almighty himself through the ages, it affirm that Jesus is both God and is distinguished from God the Father!! Osama claims that Hebrews is doubtful even though his best piece of evidence, the NIV, says just the opposite!!!

My response:

Jesus was never worshiped by anyone.  He certainly was never worshiped by the angels.  This is an intentional English mistranslation that was exposed at this article:

Do People and Angels bowing down to Jesus in Worship really prove that he is the Creator of the Universe?  See how the word "Worship" used for Jesus doesn't even exist in the original Greek Bibles.  The Trinitarian English translations are nothing but hoaxes and deceptions.  The article responds to Matthew 15:9 and other English mistranslated verses in the Bible.

He wrote:

When I posed this same argument against Osama, he responded:

If it is irrelevant, then why does the Quran even bother to mention it?

My response:

The Noble Quran mentions it because it is a historical event that took place.  The Noble Quran was gave testimony to this event's occurance.  It's not the same as your corrupted book of Hebrews, because you have yet to prove to us that it was sent from GOD Almighty.

He wrote:

As for the Quran, Islamic history proves that it wasn't documented on the spot. I can show you tons of references to prove my point if you want. And as for educated Muslims, many were killed in the battlefields that resulted in a loss of great portions of the Quran. Want references I can post that too.

My response:

If you had the references you would've posted them.  Anyway, for the details about the Noble Quran preservation, please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/quran/textual.htm

He wrote:

So basically, we are to believe that the Quran was copied down because you said it was? Again no proof. Osama continues by saying:

The materials from which the Quran was compiled were scattered everywhere. It wasn't arranged in any order nor put into one book until after Muhammad died. Basically it was left to men's judgment to decide what went in and what went out. There were sharp disagreements as to what was supposed to be included.

My response:

Nonsense.  Again, for the details about the Noble Quran preservation, please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/quran/textual.htm

He wrote:

Yet, Muslims like to judge the Bible harshly based on a criteria that can so easily be used against the Quran with even greater force and weight.

My response:

As I clearly showed above, and even more clearly showed at: www.answering-christianity.com/contra.htm, most of the Bible is a total joke!

He wrote:

Notice that Osama doesn't provide any credible source to back up his claim. Do Muslims really expect us to simply accept their claims for the Quran without providing any evidence for us to examine, all the while demanding that we provide proofs galore for Christianity? I don’t think so.

My response:

Again, nonsense.  For the details about the Noble Quran preservation, please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/quran/textual.htm

He wrote:

Nonsense. No Hadiths exist to prove this assertion, and ignorant peasants don’t qualify as scholars.

My response:

Quennel, the Hadiths are made up of 6 huge volumes.  It is believed that there are around 250,000 narrations about the Prophet peace be upon him and his life and the events that took place with him and the Noble Quran's compilation.  You summing it all up into a ridiculous statement such as "No Hadiths exist to prove this assertion" clearly proves that you are a joker who is not out there to seek the Truth, but rather to promote his polytheist pagan trinity nonsense.

He wrote:

Memorization was common in Near Eastern cultures but none of this makes them scholars. Muhammad may have had a good memory (even though this is doubtful, see http://answering-islam.org/Green/forgot.htm), yet he was still basically ignorant and illiterate.

Again Osama furnishes nothing more than vain comments. When he finally ran out of answers he tried to refer me to his site, which we are attempting to systematically debunk, as this article exposing Osama’s misquotations of the NIV hopefully shows.

My response:

To learn more about our Prophet peace be upon him, please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/muhammad.htm.   Your article had so far debunked nothing Quennel.  All you did was falsely call me a liar who misquotes the NIV Bible, when in reality you know well that I did not misquote it, but rather exposed with simple statements and logic the nonsense and corruption that exists in most of the Bible.  This had obviously frustrated you as it is apparent to the reader with your low-life cheap name calling, rude comments, and lack of manners.

He wrote:

Osama seeks to undermine the NIV’s claim that the Apostle John wrote the fourth Gospel solely because John didn’t sign it! Do note what the NIV says regarding the omission of John’s name:

The NIV says that IT IS NATURAL FOR JOHN TO NOT MENTION HIS NAME IF HE DID WRITE THE GOSPEL!! Again, note what the NIV says:

Osama also overlooked the very first sentence in his own quote which explicitly says:

The evidence is as explicit as one can find verifying the authorship of the apostle John!! Osama's evidence of bible corruption is nothing more than the usual misquotation and intentional misrepresentation found among common Islamic propaganda against the bible. Both the NIV Study and Living Insights Bible mention the apostle John as the author of the beloved fourth gospel. We find it very unusual for Osama Abdallah to try and disprove the authenticity of the Bible for the sake of bringing people to Islam. The Quran and the Muslim traditions clearly affirm the purity and preservation of the Holy Bible.

Finally, note what the first Muslim biographer said regarding the authorship of the fourth Gospel:

The preceding Gospel citation is taken from John 15:23-16:1. Please notice that Ishaq doesn’t say that this particular Gospel is inauthentic or corrupt. Apparently, the first Muslims weren’t as sharp as Osama since they had no problem admitting that John authored the fourth Gospel, even though he never signed his name!

My response:

Quennel, I'll let your very own Christian theologians respond to you.  The following was taken from The Gospel of John, Gospel or gossip?, which shows proof about early Christians rejecting the so-called Gospel of John.  They believed it was all man-made:

The questionable doctrine of incarnation, which appears in the beginning of the gospel of John as follows:

"In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God." (1:1)

It further States:

"And word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory as of the only son from the Father."

The above words are and/or have been attributed to John. Because John was disciple, who makes it appear that the founder of this doctrine was not Paul, but John.

This claim might have been sound if the gospel of John was at least as similar and coherent as the first three gospels. However, gospel of John is questioned and doubted by the Christians themselves. A large number 2nd century Christians have denied that John wrote the gospel. In current times, the authenticity of gospel has been a center of debate and dispute.

Irenaeus, Orogen, Clement, and Eusebius were the first made claims that this gospel was the work of John, the disciple. Nevertheless, at that time [254 AD], a group of Christians refused to accept that John wrote the gospel. According to Encyclopedia Britannica the position of this group is as follows:

"A positive testimony for the critical conclusion is derived from the existence of a group of Asia Minor Christians who about 165 rejected the gospel as not by John but by Cerinthus. The attribution is doubtless mistaken; but could Christians who were sufficiently numerous to deserve a long discussion by St. Epiphanius in 374-377, and who upheld the Synoptic, stouts opposed the Gnostics and Montanists, and had escaped every special designation till the Bishop nick-named them the "Alogi" (irrational rejecters of the Logos-Gospel), dare in such a time and country, to hold such views had the apostolic origin been incontestable."

Then there is internal evidence that shows that this gospel was not written by disciple John. However, the author of gospel of John was certainly a Jewish theologian who was very well familiar with Jewish thoughts and ideas. As it appears from the Acts 4:13, the disciple John son of Zebedee was uneducated. The gospel further reveals that its author was deeply learned and belonged to a noble family. Contrary to that John [disciple] son of Zebedee has a lower status from social point of view. Beside this, contents and style of gospel of John radically differs from other three gospels.

The first person to ascribe the fourth gospel as the work of John was "Irenaeus" who, according to Christian scholars is not reliable and not an expert in the filed of critical analysis. For similar reasons, a large group of Christian scholars in recent times view this gospel as a fabrication and opined that it should be included among the other books in Bible.

Those Christian scholars, who regard the gospel as correct and who wish to save it from the allegation of fabrication, are virtually unanimous that the author of fourth gospel was not the John [son of Zebedee] but the John the Elder. James Mackinon writes:

" It is likely enough that "Irenaeus, whose accuracy and critical discernment are not outstanding has confused him with another John [John the Elder] mentioned by Papias of Hierapolis in Asia, in the second quarter of second century, as well as with the Prophet John of the Book of Revelation."

A well-known Christian scholar from Pakistan [Barakatullah] writes:

"We have reached the conclusion that the narration of that gospel of John was written by John the son of Zebedee is incorrect."

Barakatullah, furthers by saying that:

"The truth is that the theologians are not willing to accept without debate that the fourth gospel was written by John son of Zebedee. And generally, theories to the contrary are seen."

Barakatullah has endeavored in great details in his book to substantiate his claim that the author of the fourth gospel was not John the son of Zebedee. Why did Barakatullah, a Christian scholar believe to establish this fact? He explains in the following words:

"Those theologians who believe that the fourth gospel was written by John son of Zebedee- they do not generally accept the historical significance of this gospel. Their theory is that the fourth gospel is free of historical events, and that its contents belong to author who puts it in the mouth of the word of God."

In fact attribution of the fourth gospel as the work of John son of Zebedee, the disciple, places its authenticity in serious jeopardy, the reverend has attempted to show that it was written by John the Elder. His research indicates that John the Elder was also a student of Jesus, but he was not counted among disciples. Since John the Elder was a young person and was honored by Jesus in his last days to include John the Elder in his company. John the Elder was a cultured and learned in the Old Testament. He belonged to a noble family that he has expressed in his gospel. Many Christians generally accept this conclusion today. That has resulted in rejecting John son of Zebedee, the disciple as the author of fourth gospel.

The above conclusion is without foundation. Apart from protecting the originality of the gospel of John, one cannot see any other reason for it. The question yet to be answered that if John the Elder, beside the twelve disciples was another student of Jesus. Why has he not mentioned by Mark, Luke, and Matthew in their gospels? The fourth gospel indicates that its author was in very close contact with Jesus; also he was loved deeply by Jesus as well. The author of fourth gospel has used the expression in many places "the disciple whom Jesus loved." At the end, the author says that the meaning of that expression is the author of the fourth gospel himself.

[See e.g. " One of his disciple, whom Jesus loved was lying close to the breast of Jesus 13:23]. And "So lying thus, close to the breast of Jesus, he said to him, Lord, who is it?" 13:25]

We don't see this closeness by/for twelve disciples, but this disciple was so loved that he was allowed to be that close and eat. So, if Jesus was so close to him [author], then the author was not included as thirteenth disciple? How is it rationally acceptable that Judas Iscariot who was regarded as thief (John 12:6) and who betrayed Jesus and caused his master [Jesus] to be arrested [Luke 22:3], be included among the twelve disciples, and the student of Jesus [the author of fourth gospel], who ate close to [laying] the breast of Jesus?

Which none other disciple did], and who was most concerned at Jesus ascension to heaven by reason of separation from him is/was not included among disciples of Jesus?

Further, why Mark, Luke, and Matthew in their gospels, which according to Christians contains a complete description and details of Jesus' life, even mentioning ordinary persons who were connected with Jesus like Mary Magdalene, Martha in reference of Jesus' donkey, completely fail to make any reference to this alleged student of Jesus?

IF there was a disciple named John the Elder, beside from John son of Zebedee, the disciple, then why the authors of all four gospels failed to explain the distinction between two Johns to avoid confusion? Among the twelve disciples we know that there were TWO [James] (1) James son of Zebedee (2) James son of Alphaeus. Similarly, there were TWO persons with the name of Judas (1) Judas son of James (2) Judas Iscariot. The authors of four gospels have distinguished between them by mentioning them separately in order to avoid confusion. [See e.g. Matthew 10:6, Luke 6:14, Acts 1:13] So, if there were two persons among the disciples of Jesus by the name of John, then why the authors of gospels did not dispel the confusion as the authors of four gospels did in the cases of James and Judas?


Further, if there was a disciple of Jesus by the name of John the Elder, then where did he go after the ascension of Jesus? The efforts and activities of disciples of Jesus after his departure are described in detail in the book of Acts. But there is no mention of any John the Elder. It cannot be assumed or said that he [John the Elder] died immediately after the ascension of Jesus. Because the gospel of John was written very much after Jesus. It is stated therein that " and this is famous amongst the disciples-author of fourth gospel will live till the day of judgment (21:23). Therefore, all Christian theologians, who regard John the Elder as separate from the John the son of Zebedee, the disciple are of the view that John the Elder remained alive for a considerable period after Jesus to the extent that Polycrap became his student. The evidence is indisputable that John the Elder was not a disciple of Jesus. The verse at the end of gospel of John states that:


" This is the disciple who is bearing witness to these things, and who has written these things, and we know that this testimony is true (21:24)."

Let us keep this fact in mind that the majority of Christian scholars believes that above verse is a later insertion and is not by the author of gospel of John. The well known commentator of the Bible Westcott, who is very cautious and careful to criticize the Bible, says in this regards [quoted by Streeter, p 430]:

" The two verses appear to be separate notes attached to the gospel before its publication. The form of verse 24 contrasted with that of XIX 35 shows conclusively that it is not the witness of the evangelist. The words were probably added by Epaesian Elders, to whom the preceding narrative had been given both orally and in writing."

This view is supported by the well-known writer of modern times Bishop Gore, and this is the reason why these two verses are not found in the codex sineticus. Therefore, one cannot say that the author of these verses was a disciple of Jesus.

It establishes beyond any doubt that the author of the fourth gospel is neither John son of Zebedee, the disciple nor John the Elder or any other disciple of Jesus. In view of the above facts the author of fourth gospel was a person who lived very much later than the disciples of Jesus and who acquired his knowledge under Paul and his students. According to "Westcott", in order to ascribe gospel of John, son of Zebedee, the disciple, certain sentences were added which includes the personal experience of the writer, with a view to refuting the arguments of some Gnostic sects of that times who rejected the so-called divinity of Jesus. It is undisputed in the academic world that alterations in Bible were common and continue in order to debate opposing sects of the time. Professor Streeter, the well-known Christian scholar of modern time writes in his book [The Four Gospels p 4] in the clearest terms possible and I quote:

" Then, in the fourth gospel we find an addition to the text, admittedly nor by the original author which makes a definite statement as to authorship, is it not more probable that it was made at some later date perhaps also in some other locality, and was intended to assert a view as to the authorship of the book from which certain person at that time or place dissented? And that such dissent did exist in the second century we shall see shortly. That being so, the addition of the words "this is the disciple which.wrote these things" is to be interpreted as an attempt to settle a debated question, and is, therefore, additional evidence of the existence of doubts in regard to the authorship of the Gospel."

Hence, it is not without wonder, that under such circumstances the fourth gospel and the letters of John were written by a student of Paul, and people later made certain alterations to establish that the author of fourth gospel has met personally with Jesus and has been in his company, which by the way is not true.

Keeping the general approach on these times in mind, this conclusion appears to be correct. In Christian view the fourth gospel may have been written by John the Elder, but he was not a disciple of Jesus. By adopting the views of professor Streeter, the author of fourth gospel was John the Elder, but that: [Streeter "The Four Gospels p 443]


"John the Elder is described by Papias as disciple of the Lord" by Polycrap as one "who has seen the Lord." We need not suppose that he had done much more when 'see' Him, brought perhaps as a boy of twelve years old to Jerusalem by his father on pilgrimage to the Passover. And he may have been among the crowd that looked on at the crucifixion, people in those days

were not careful to keep such sights from children. In that case by AD 95 he would have reached the age of seventy-seven. The First Epistle of John was obviously written by a man of advance years, who can pass quite naturally from "brethren" to my little children" in the same paragraph (IJN III 13 and 18). This last phase would hardly have been written by a man under seventy."

There is, then no difficulty in supposing that John the Elder wrote the fourth gospel AD 90-95 at the age of seventy of above.

Conclusion

Christian missionary and evangelists desperately attempt to save the fourth gospel from being declared as created. But if one can avoid fruitless attempts of justification and accept the theory as it is, the following conclusion is inevitable.

1. The author of fourth gospel was NOT John son of Zebedee, the disciple, but John the Elder.

2. John the Elder is NOT among the disciples of Jesus.

3. John the Elder, saw Jesus once at the age of twelve [12], but did NOT get any opportunity of serving Jesus or hearing his teachings.

4. John the Elder saw the Jesus in the last stage of crucifixion.

5. He was NOT a citizen of Jerusalem, but he was a resident of Southern regions of Canaan.

6. After Jesus and until AD 95, there is NO record or any account where he lived? And from whom he acquired knowledge? Whose company he was often in/with? And what relationship he had with the disciples of Jesus?

7. On or about 95 AD, at the age of 70+ he wrote the gospel of John in which he mentions for the first time the doctrine of incarnation.

8. Later, an addition was made at the end of the gospel that indicated that its author was the disciple John the son of Zebedee or some beloved disciple of Jesus.

The conclusions set forth above are hardly a result of Muslims' reasoning, but are rather the views of Christian theologians in order to save the fourth gospel from being declared as created. The above conclusions will lead to undeniable facts cited below.

(a) The doctrine of incarnation cannot be ascribed to Jesus or any of his disciples.

(b) A person who at the age of twelve only saw Jesus but did not acquire any knowledge from him first wrote this doctrine after the ascension of Jesus.

(c) The person who presents this doctrine is unknown, apart from his writing, his condition and situation is unknown.

(d) What type of person he was? What were his beliefs? How did he come up with this doctrine? What was his relationship with the disciples?

(e) This doctrine of incarnation came into being and/or inserted in the Bible around 95 AD when his age was 70 and 28 years had passed since the death of Paul.

(f) Because Paul had died before him, and Paul had clearly expounded the doctrine of incarnation in his letters, which proves that the first person to expound the doctrine of incarnation was not John the Elder, but Paul.

(g) Let us not forget this fact that any statement of Jesus neither supports the doctrine of incarnation, nor was it espoused by any of his disciples.

He wrote:

Osama is apparently blatantly ignorant of what Islamic history and Muhammad think about Paul. Read this from the earliest Islamic accounts:

Muhammad himself said that Jesus was commissioned by God to send the disciples into the world. And yet Paul happens to be one of those who assisted the Apostle Peter in carrying out Jesus’ great commission!! Notice that Ibn Ishaq predates the most credible Hadiths by over 125 years. According to Muhammad, Jesus said that this is a thing his followers must do. Interestingly, other Muslim sources confirm the above statement from Ishaq:

Amazingly, Bukhari, the most authentic Hadith collection in Islam, even quotes one of Paul's letters and attributes the saying to God!:

According to this Hadith, Muhammad purportedly claims that Allah uttered the above words. Compare what Allah is supposed to have revealed to Muhammad with what Paul says in his first letter to the Corinthians:

Paul paraphrases the following citation from Isaiah:

Hence, according to the Hadith the one that inspired Paul's saying, which Muhammad alludes to in virtually identical language, is none other than God! Notice that “Allah” has taken Paul's quote and slightly modified it, and both contexts refer to the rewards that God has in store for true believers. Since Osama considers Paul to be a deceiver, we must conclude that Muhammad and his god Allah are also deceivers since they quote Paul!!! Muslims hate this quote since it undermines their thinking about Paul.

My response:

In regards to your first reference, it is a very weak one.  We are warned in the Noble Quran about the hypocrites from the Jews and Christians who fabricated Hadiths (Sayings of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him):

"While Islam was weak and still growing among Jews, Christians and Pagans, Muslims did not have the full and complete religion that they needed.  Some Jews and Christians wanted to take advantage of such situation to destroy Islam.  They had a plan to adopt Islam first and then desert it, thus creating the impression that Islam was not a religion worth adopting.

Let us look at Noble Verse 3:72 "A section of the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) say:  Believe in the morning what is revealed to the believers (Muslims), but reject it at the end of the day; perchance they may (themselves) turn back (from Islam)." "

(www.answering-christianity.com/apostates.htm)

In regards to your second quote from "Qisas al-Anbiyaa" book, which means "the stories of the Prophet", it is written by modern day authors.  It is not an original Islamic book.  If some Muslims believe Paul was an apostle, then good for them, but this still doesn't prove anything.

In regards to the Saying about Paradise, the Prophet peace be upon him said "Allah said", and he was quoting both the Noble Quran and the Old Testament.  Please visit: What parts of the Bible do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth? and Why?

So, you have really proved nothing here.  All you did was present very weak references that don't mean much.

He wrote:

This basically means that Muslims have no basis to object to Paul's writings since Muhammad, Ibn Ishaq and al-Bukhari attribute Paul's work to God, implying that Paul was a legitimate representative of Christ's teachings.

The only way for Osama to avoid the significance of these early Islamic traditions is to deny the traditions completely, as well as intentionally ignore Muhammad. This would make him an apostate. Osama then goes on to post links about Paul being a liar based on the opinions of so-called Christian scholars. However, since when do theologians and so-called Christians hold greater authority for Osama than Muhammad, Allah, and the Islamic traditions? We will leave that for Osama to answer for us.

My response:

The Saying in Al-Bukhari was talking about Paradise, and it was quoting from the Noble Quran and the Old Testament.  As to Ibn Ishaq, many of the narrations in his book are considered weak by Muslim authorities.  And like I showed above from the Noble Quran, many hypocrites from the Jews and Christians wanted to inject nonsense similar to the things that exist in the Bible into Islam.  Allah Almighty warned us from them.

He wrote:

Notice how Osama claims that God isn't the author of confusion, but yet his own words seem to be utterly confused. He says that we see the author himself (whatever that means) but yet we see nothing but conclusions.

My response:

Any normal person with a normal brain Quennel would immediately see that what I said was that the writtings between Paul and the others are different in style, since Paul mentioned himself in his writtings while the others didn't.  But of course, for a not so normal person like yourself, an explanation is needed for clarification.

He wrote:

Would he rather have assumptions instead of conclusions?

My response:

I would rather have the Truth which exists in the Noble Quran.  I'll leave the assumptions and conclusions and confusions for you and your polytheist pagan trinity belief.

He wrote:

Again he knows that the NIV is saying just the opposite of what his paper is saying and therefore when it comes to quotes that he can't copy out of context he must resort to intentionally misinterpreting them. Then and only then, in his twisted logic, is he able to prove that the Bible is corrupt. Remember that earlier he called into question the materials since Christians were basing their points on assumptions. And yet when they provide hard evidence to base their conclusions on, this is still not good enough! Hypocrisy is the word that comes to mind.

The reason why we take Paul's words as the very words of God is because Jesus, the Apostles, supernatural miracles and even Muhammad himself provide irrefutable evidence thatt Paul was commissioned to spread God’s truth. Lets look at the scriptures mentioned by Osama:

If Osama is agreeing with Peter then he is also agreeing with Peter’s racism and hypocrisy since Paul was correcting Peter for being hypocritical before both the Jews and Gentiles. We know that Allah loves to lie and mislead but that doesn't mean that followers of Yahweh God, such as Paul, have to do likewise!

Do you see anywhere in this passage which suggests that Paul’s and Barnabas’ dispute was theological solely because Barnabas left with John Mark and Paul with Silas? In what way does this passage undermine Paul’s credibility when the very passages prior to this one demonstrate that Paul had the approval of Christ’s true followers?

My response:

The point here Quennel, which is normal for you to miss, is that these conversations, accusations and even verbal fights among the disciples clearly prove that their writtings are not the Holy Words of GOD Almighty.  They are only their own words and teachings.   In this case, then you can't call the Bible as "The Holy Bible", since not all of it contains GOD Almighty's Holy Words.

In fact, Paul himself contradicted himself in the Bible:

From www.answering-christianity.com/2tim3_16.htm

How can you say that the Bible has corruption in it when Saint Paul in 2 Timothy 3:16 clearly said that "All Scripture is God-breathed"?

Let us look the following Verse: "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, (From the NIV Bible, 2 Timothy 3:16)"

In the above verse, we clearly see that the entire Bible is supposed to be inspired from GOD Almighty.

There are few problems however with this claim:

1- There is no actual "Bible". The word "Bible" doesn't even exist in what we call today "The Bible". So when such claim is made, it is not right for us to use it to prove the entire "collection" was inpired from GOD Almighty.

2- Paul obviously didn't know much about the Old Testament for claiming that it is all "God-breathed".  GOD Almighty said: "`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"   See Also Deuteronomy 31:25-29 where  Prophet Moses peace be upon him predicted the corruption/tampering of the Law (Bible) after his death by their own hands.  See History of Man's corruption of the Old Testament.

3- Paul who spoke 2 Timothy 3:16 had rediculously contradicted himself, because he himself admitted before that he wasn't always inspired by GOD Almighty himself (1 Corinthians 7:25-30). Verses 1 Corinthians 7:25-30 are today permanantly preserved in the "Bible". If GOD Almighty indeed spoke 2 Timothy 3:16 through Paul, then He wouldn't have contradicted Himself in the Verse about the entire Bible being His Words, while permanatly preserving Paul's personal words and suggestions in the "Bible". This should be one solid proof that Paul was not truthful.  Anyway, many famous Historians and Theologians before came to conclusions that Paul was not truthful.

4- Most of the New Testament is nothing but conversations between people, which are clearly not inspirations from GOD Almighty. For instance, Paul fought with Saint Peter and accused him of being "clearly in the wrong" (Galatians: 2:11-12), and had a huge argument with Saint Barnabas (Acts 15:36-39). Now one must ask, did GOD for instance favor Paul over Barnabas and Peter and inspired him the words while he was fighting with them? If so, since Peter was "clearly in the wrong", then how about his Gospels? Wasn't every word that Peter spoke supposedly inpired by GOD? How then could he be "clearly in the wrong"? One of them must be in the wrong, which in either case, would also produce another contradiction to 2 Timothy 3:16. Is Paul GOD Himself? No Christian believes in that. So why then take everything he says including 2 Timothy 3:16 as the Words of GOD Almighty when they contain clear contradictions in them?

He wrote:

Oops!! Okay, now we see that Paul didn't perform miracles? Therefore he isn't a prophet? It is obvious that Osama has not read or understood the Bible since he commits several mistakes here. First, inspiration doesn’t apply to everything that Paul or the others said or did. It refers to the proclaiming of the God’s truths, i.e. the preaching and writing of the Gospel.

My response:

Show me Paul's miracles and in return I will show you the miracles that were brought through Muhammad peace be upon him.

He wrote:

Second, Osama hasn’t read 1 Corinthians carefully since Paul wasn’t denying inspiration at all. Paul is addressing the question of whether virgins should remain unmarried, something that Christ never addressed while on earth. Being Christ's spokesperson Paul could speak on issues not addressed by the Lord Jesus during his earthly ministry. In this passage, Paul is giving a suggestion that a person can choose to follow, but was not required to do so.

This leads us to our second point, namely that Paul was clearly aware that both his preaching and his writings were given by inspiration of God:

These passages make it quite clear that Paul believed that his writings were the very revealed words of God. This can be further seen from what Paul writes elsewhere:

It becomes quite evident that Paul believed that he was speaking and writing God’s Word by divine inspiration.

My response:

Paul was a liar who had his own personal agenda.  Paul contradicted Jesus in different things:

Is circumcision allowed or not allowed in the Bible?  See the clear contradiction between Jesus and Paul.

Also, Paul was rejected by many well-respected Christian theologians.

He wrote:

Third, the Holy Bible provides several examples of Paul performing miracles:

My response:

What are those miracles??!!  Any elaboration?  Any clown can produce something and call it a "miracle".

He wrote:

Paul even had power over demons and poison by God’s sovereign grace:

My response:

You have yet to prove to us that the book of Acts, which you quoted from, was a Truthful and error-free book from GOD Almighty.  Again, for the reader's convenience, I will paste what the NIV Bible committee said about this doubtful book:

The Book of Acts:

"Although the author does not name himself, evidence outside the Scriptures and inferences from the book itself lead to the conclusion that the author was Luke.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1643)"

So based on some conclusion, you're willing to die for defending the idea that the Book of Acts was the True Word of GOD Almighty? If the book was inspired by GOD Almighty, then how come it wasn't mentioned in the book itself to help us filter it out from the many other "Satanic false books"? Are we sure that this book too is not a man-made Satanic book?

After all, its just a conclusion, isn't it?

Beside, what evidence are they talking about?!  The New Testament wasn't even documented on paper until 150-300 years (depending on what Christian you talk to) after Jesus.  So unless the Book/Gospel was signed by its author, there is no way we would know for sure that it was indeed his book from the first place, let alone considering it as the True Living Word of GOD.

He wrote:

This again shows that Osama hasn’t read the Bible carefully. Finally and even more amazing is that Muhammad fails Osama’s own criteria since the former performed no miracles. Hence, if Osama’s logic were true then this would also make Muhammad a false apostle.

My response:

As to Islam and Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, Islam had proven itself to be the True Divine Religion from GOD Almighty.   For instance, I would like you to visit the following links to see the True Miracles in the Noble Quran in Science:

From www.answering-christianity.com/sci_quran.htm:

Non-Muslim Scientists embraced Islam after discovering the Miracles of the Noble Quran!

Allah Almighty Said:

"We will soon show them Our signs in the Universe and INSIDE THEIR SELVES, until it will become quite clear to them that it is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things?  (The Noble Quran, 41:53)"

Very Important Discovery:

A new star forming out of a cloud of gas and dust (nebula), which is one of the remnants of the "smoke" that was the origin of the whole universe. (The Space Atlas, Heather and Henbest, page 50)
Allah Almighty said: "Then He turned to the heaven when it was smoke...(The Noble Quran, 41:11)"
The Noble Quran on the Origin of the Universe
Only Islam claims that the universe was originated from Dust and Hot Gas, or Smoke.

Another Very Important Discovery:

Allah Almighty Said:  "And when the heaven splitteth asunder and becometh ROSY LIKE RED HIDE -  (The Noble Quran, 55:37)"
What Allah Almighty is Saying here is that when Galaxies explode, they form a red-rose-shaped explosion.  He is also telling us that the Universe will all turn into red exploded galaxies looking like red or reddish roses when the Day of Judgement happens.

The explosion of Stars (FORMING RED ROSES), Galaxies and the Universe in the Noble Quran had been confirmed by NASA.

http://www.harunyahya.com/

"This web site has been developed with the aim of promoting and publicizing the works of Harun Yahya, a prominent Turkish thinker and author. His books have attracted great attention both in Turkey and worldwide. In the 90's especially, the works of Harun Yahya have been a means of intellectual awakening for many Muslims, and non-Muslims alike, in the face of the illusions of the modern age. In other words, the name Harun Yahya is an invitation to the truth.
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The books of Harun Yahya and thus this web site seek to recall various crucial facts, which people are led to disregard and even deny under the influence of the turmoil of the modern age. One of these basic facts is that of creation, that the universe, living things and man, are not self-existing entities, but the artifacts of God, the Supreme Creator. We are all created by Him and to Him we will all return. The allegedly "scientific" challenges to this fact — like Darwinism and other materialistic dogmas — are nothing but deceptions, as explained in this site."

(http://www.harunyahya.com/m_about_site.php)

Dr. Zahlool Al-Najjar is a great Muslim Geologist and Scientist who wrote many
books, publications (131 publications as shown on his resume in English), and
10s of journals and reports proving many of the Noble Quranic Geological and
Scientific Claims to be accurate through Modern Science and Technologies.

He is well known in the Scientists community of Geology in both the US and
Europe, because much of his work and research, especially during his early
days of scientific research, was done in these countries while he resided and
studied in them.

Science in Islam:

The sub sections here are:

1-  Life originated from water and dust in the Noble Quran, Plants and their origins.
2-  The Earth's rotation, formation, Mountains and Oceanology.
3-  The Universe, Time, Astronomy, UFOs and Space Shuttles.
4-  Embryology, Human Anatomy, Formation, and Creation from the time of sexual intercourse to the time of birth.
5-  The number 19 code in the Noble Quran.
6-  Medicine, Insects and Animals.
7-  Psychology.
8-  Great Web Sites and Online Books.  More great resources and web site are available online.
9-  Rebuttals.
10-  Prophecies.

1-  Life originated from water and dust in the Noble Quran, Plants and their origins:

Life originated from water in the Noble Quran.

Life and our physical bodies originated from CLAY - The Noble Quran Claimed it and Science confirmed it!

Science and Existence of Plant's pairs - The Noble Quran claimed it 1500 years ago!

2-  The Earth's rotation, formation, Mountains and Oceanology:

The Motion of Earth in the Noble Quran.

The Noble Quran confirms that the earth is rotating around its axle.

Allah Almighty said that the earth is "egg-shaped".

The reduction of earth's size in both the Noble Quran and Science!

The Earth is round according to Islam.

Faults on earth in the Noble Quran and Science!

The Black Sea and Dark Waters in the Noble Quran!

Living Creatures were sent down from space. Science confirms the Noble Quran's Claim.

The amazing creation of earth and mountains in the Noble Quran.   Science confirms that mountains prevent the earth from shaking while it is revolving around itself, and that they are like pegs rooted in it.  The Noble Quran made a similar claim.

Mountains prevent the earth from shaking - The Noble Quran claimed it and Science confirmed it!

Geology in the Noble Quran - See the Scientific confirmation.

Oceanology in the Noble Quran - See the Scientific confirmation.  The barriers between waters in both science and the Noble Quran.

The darkness of oceans and disappearance of light was mentioned in the Noble Quran and confirmed by Science.

3-  The Universe, Time, Astronomy, UFOs and Space Shuttles:

The fault line and crack (split) of the moon in Noble Quran!

The amazing creation of earth (its 7 properties from atmospheric and inner layers) and iron in the Noble Quran.   Iron came from space, and the Noble Quran mentioned it.

Seven Atmospheric Layers in the Noble Quran confirmed by Science!

Living Creatures were sent down from space. Science confirms the Noble Quran's Claim.

The Speed of Light in the Noble Quran - A superb article by a Muslim Mathematician!

Allah Almighty talked about lack of Oxygen and painful low pressure in space.  Science confirmed the Noble Quran's Divine Claim.

The Noble Quran and Astronomers both claim that the Universe is 18 billion years old.

The Big Bang Theory and the Cosmic Crunch in the Noble Quran.  Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him predicted around the time when the Cosmic Crunch occurs, the Sun would rise from the West.

The Noble Quran on the Origin of the Universe. This article has pictures and quotes from Western scientific books that accurately confirm the astronomical claims of the Noble Quran.  The Noble Quran was the only book that claimed that the universe originated from Hot Gas or Smoke.  Science proved that this claim is true.

The explosion of Stars (FORMING RED ROSES), Galaxies and the Universe in the Noble Quran had been confirmed by NASA.

Comparison between Allah Almighty's claims about His Creation, and the scientific discoveries that 100% agree with Him.  Claims such as:  The universe is expanding, the existence of the sun's orbit, the protective atmosphere to the earth, Embryology and many more.

Allah Almighty said in the Noble Quran that He is "Expanding" the Universe.  Scientists already proved this claim to be true.

The "Clot" and the Creation of the Universe in the Noble Quran.

Is there mention of U.F.Os or other Human Planets in the Noble Quran?

What does the sun orbit?

Einstein's time relativity in the Noble Quran.

Time Relativity in the Noble Quran.

UFOs and Space Shuttles were explicitly mentioned in the Noble Quran!  Even the communication with UFOs was prophesied in the Noble Quran.

Aliens and UFOs in the Noble Quran.

Black Holes and Piercing Stars in the Noble Quran were confirmed by Science.

4-  Embryology, Human Anatomy, Formation and Creation from the time of sexual intercourse to the time of birth:

The Noble Quran on Human Embryonic Development.

Embryology in the Noble Quran.   The three stages of the fetus formation in the Noble Quran and Science.

Abortion in Islam is a crime!   The fetus is a human child in Islam.

The Noble Quran on the Cerebrum: Lying is generated from the person's forehead.

The region in the brain that controls our movements - In Noble Quran and confirmed by Science.

Sex determination and human creation in Islam.  Allah Almighty and Prophet Muhammad both claimed that the human gender is determined by the male's ejaculated semen.

Were human cloning and gender alteration prophesied in Islam?

Why does the Noble Quran, while speaking about determination of the identity of the individual, speak specifically about finger tips?  The Noble Quran recognized that finger tips (finger prints) are unique!

The blood circulation and the production of milk in the Breast: In the Noble Quran and Science.

Breastfeeding for 2 years in the Noble Quran.  Science had confirmed Islam's Divine Claims.

Thinking with the heart besides the brain in the Noble Quran was proven by Science.

5-  The number 19 code in the Noble Quran:

The Miracle of the number 19 in the Noble Quran.  Yes, the number 19 is miraculous in the Noble Quran and was proven to be essential in many of the Scientific Theories and Discoveries.  But it doesn't at all support Rashad Khalifa's removal of two Noble Verses from the Noble Quran, and his claim to be GOD Almighty's Messenger.

6-  Medicine, Insects and Animals:

Animals' urine and it's relationship to medicine in Islam.

Camels could help cure humans.

Honey was proven to be healing for humans as was mentioned in the Noble Quran.

Scientific Miracles in the Quran Regarding Mary.

The fly insect and its cure: Mentioned in Islam and confirmed by Science (Bacteriophages).

7-  Psychology:

The psychological Wisdom of Prayers in Islam was proven in Science and Psychology.

The Wisdom of the age of 40 in the Noble Quran, which had been Scientifically and Psychologically proven to be True.  See why Allah Almighty is more forgiving to those who are under the age of 40, and how Science and Psychology proved that people under 40 are less mature and tend to make more irresponsible decisions (i.e., mistakes and sins).

8-  Great Web Sites:

http://www.geocities.com/thetruebook/index.htm   A great web site by a Muslim sister.  Her name is Sundus.

http://www.it-is-truth.net/   This is an awesome web site that has Western scientific information that accurately confirms the Noble Quran's claims about astronomy, biology, geology and other sciences.

http://www.universalunity.net/universe.htm   A great site with excellent articles that are backed quotes and proofs about science in the Noble Quran.

This web site is rich with irrefutable scientific facts and details that match many of the Noble Quran's Verses.  He has done a wonderful job in explaining things in good details and providing detailed OBJECTIVE analysis that prove the Noble Quran's Scientific Miracles.  http://www.rationalreality.com.

Warning:  This is a Hadith-rejector web site.

A great book that contains several articles backed by good Scientific references that prove several of the Noble Quran's Scientific Miracles.  http://www.islam-guide.com/.

http://www.harunyahya.com/
http://www.harunyahya.com/c_refutation_darwinism.php
http://www.harunyahya.com/c_refutation_atheism.php
http://www.harunyahya.com/c_design_nature.php
Miracles of the Noble Quran.  Video files.
http://www.harunyahya.com/c_miracles_quran.php
http://www.harunyahya.com/c_quran_archaeology.php
http://www.harunyahya.com/c_myth_called_matter.php

The Bible, the Quran and Science.  Written by Dr Maurice Bucaille.  In his work, Dr. Baucille proves that the Quran correctly stated scientific facts unknown at the time of the Prophet - showing its divine origin!

A web site for the number 19 miracle in the Noble Quran.

Evaluating Islam as a Religion based on Divine Revelation.

Quran Prior to Science and Civilization, Astro, Islam, Mlivo.

Black Holes and Piercing Stars in the Noble Quran were confirmed by Science.

9-  Rebuttals:

Does the Noble Quran support "The Earth moves around the Sun" theory?  Rebuttal to Mr. Avijit Roy's challenge.

My rebuttal to Avijit Roy's "Does the Quran support the Earth moves around the Sun theory" response.

My rebuttal to Avijit Roy's "Does Quran have any Scientific miracles?" article.

The Black Sea and Dark Waters in the Noble Quran!

A Muslim response to criticism of Embryology in the Noble Quran.  By Nadeem Arif Najmi.

Allah Almighty said that the earth is "egg-shaped".  Rebuttal to the Christian "Answering Islam" team about "dahaha" in the Noble Quran.

My rebuttal to Jochen Katz' "The Qur'an and the flight of birds" article.

Did the Noble Quran really plagiarize Greek Embryology?  A very nice article.

10-  Prophecies:

Please visit The Noble Quran section, and read the "Prophecies" sub section to see the great Prophecies that were fulfilled only in the Noble Quran.  The Noble Quran also made mention and promised the discovery of lost ancient cities and people's bodies, and these promises were all fulfilled today.

He wrote:

Muhammad and Miracles  

Say those without knowledge: “Why speaketh not Allah unto us? or why cometh not unto us a Sign?” So said the people before them words of similar import. Their hearts are alike. We have indeed made clear the Signs unto any people who hold firmly to Faith (in their hearts). S. 2:118  



Even IF thou wert to bring to the People of the Book all the Signs (together), they would not follow thy Qibla; nor art thou going to follow their Qibla; nor indeed will they follow each other's Qibla. If thou after the knowledge hath reached thee, Wert to follow their (vain) desires,- then wert thou Indeed (clearly) in the wrong. S. 2:145  

They say: “Why is not a Sign sent down to him from his Lord!” Say: “Allah hath certainly power to send down a Sign: but most of them understand not.” S. 6:37  



They swear their strongest oaths by Allah, that if a (special) sign came to them, by it they would believe. Say: “Certainly (all) Signs are in the power of Allah: but what will make you (Muslims) realize that (even) if (special) signs came, they will not believe.”? S. 6:109 

My response:

No comments on these beautiful Noble Verses.

He wrote:

‘Abdallah ‘Abd al-Fadi comments: 
 

My response:

Your quote is from an anti-Islamic book.  Show me the original reference so we can examine it's validity here.  You obviously don't have a reference and instead, you rely on clowns to help you spread lies with you.

Aside from the Great Miracles that I presented above that exist in the Noble Quran, and the section about Prophet Muhammad's many Prophecies, you asked for sign, let me give you one:

Did Prophet Muhammad really split the moon with his index finger?

He wrote:

From the Quran:

They say: “Why is not a sign sent down to him from his Lord?” Say: “The Unseen is only for Allah (to know), then wait ye: I too will wait with you.” S. 10:20  



And the Unbelievers say: “Why is not a sign sent down to him from his Lord?” But thou art truly a warner, and to every people a guide. 13:7  



The Unbelievers say: “Why is not a Sign sent down to him from his Lord?” Say: “Truly Allah leaveth, to stray, whom He will; But He guideth to Himself those who turn to Him in penitence,-” S. 13:27 

And We refrain from sending the Signs, only because the men of former generations treated them as false: We sent the She-camel to the Thamüd - a visible Sign-, but they treated her wrongfully: We only send the Signs by way of frightening (and warning from evil). S. 17:59  

Muhammad Asad comments on S. 17:59: 

“… This highly elliptic sentence has a fundamental bearing on the purport of the Qur’an as a whole. In many places the Qur’an stresses the fact that the Prophet Muhammad, despite his being the last and greatest of God’s apostles, was not empowered to perform miracles similar to those with which the earlier prophets are said to have reinforced their verbal messages. His only miracle was and is the Qur’an itself- a message perfect in its lucidity and ethical comprehensiveness, destined for all times and all stages of human development, addressed not merely to the feelings but also to the minds of men, open to everyone, whatever his race or social environment, and bound to remain unchanged forever. Since the earlier prophets invariably appealed to their own community and their own time alone, their teachings were, of necessity, circumscribed by the social and intellectual conditions of that particular community and time; and since the people to whom they addressed themselves ha not yet reached the stage of independent thinking, those prophets stood in need of symbolic portents or miracles (see surah 6, note 94) in order to make the people concerned realize the inner truth of their mission. The message of the Qur’an, on the other hand, was revealed at a time when mankind (and, in particular, that pat of it which inhabited the regions marked by the earlier, Judeo-Christian religious development) had reached a degree of maturity which henceforth enabled it to grasp an ideology as such without the aid of those persuasive portents and miraculous demonstrations which in the past, as the above verse points out, only too often gave rise to new, grave misconceptions.” (Asad, The Meaning of the Qur’an, pp. 427-428, n. 71) 

That Asad’s explanation is rather forced is seen by the fact that it was the People of the Book and the pagans that demanded Muhammad to perform miracles to prove his prophethood. Hence, maturity had nothing to do with it since in every age man expects supernatural verification from one claiming to speak on God’s behalf.  

They say: “We shall not believe in thee, until thou cause a spring to gush forth for us from the earth, Or (until) thou have a garden of date trees and vines, and cause rivers to gush forth in their midst, carrying abundant water; Or thou cause the sky to fall in pieces, as thou sayest (will happen), against us; or thou bring Allah and the angels before (us) face to face: Or thou have a house adorned with gold, or thou mount a ladder right into the skies. No, we shall not even believe in thy mounting until thou send down to us a book that we could read.” Say: “Glory to my Lord! Am I aught but a man,- a messenger?” S. 17:90-93  

Asad on 17:93: 

“… A reply to this demand of believers is found in verse 7 of Al-An’am, revealed-according to Suyuti- shortly after the present surah. But the allusion to this and the preceding ‘conditions’ is not merely historical: it illustrates a widely prreviewent, psychologically contradictory attitude of the mind- a strange mixture of prima-facie scepticism and primitive credulity which makes belief in a prophetic message dependent on the prophet’s ‘performing miracles’ (cf. 6:37 and 109 and 7:203). Since the ONLY miracle granted by God to Muhammad is the Qur’an itself (see the first part of verse 59 of this surah, as well as note 71 above), he is bidden, in the next passage, to declare that these demands are irrelevant and, by implications, frivolous.” (Ibid., p. 433, n. 109 bold emphasis ours) 

But (now), when the Truth has come to them from Ourselves, they say, “Why are not (Signs) sent to him, like those which were sent to Moses?” Do they not then reject (the Signs) which were formerly sent to Moses? They say: “Two kinds of sorcery, each assisting the other!” And they say: “For us, we reject all (such things)!” S. 28:48  

Nay, here are Signs self-evident in the hearts of those endowed with knowledge: and none but the unjust reject Our Signs. Ye they say: “Why are not Signs sent down to him from his Lord?” Say: “The signs are indeed with Allah: and I am indeed a clear Warner.” And is it not enough for them that we have sent down to thee the Book which is rehearsed to them? Verily, in it is Mercy and a Reminder to those who believe. S. 29:49-51 

Al-Fadi quotes al-Baidawi’s commentary on the above passage: 

Al-Baidawi said: “‘Why have signs not been sent down upon him from his Lord?’ as [was the case with] the she-camel of Salih, the rod of Moses and the table of Christ Jesus. ‘Say: The signs are only with God,’ who sends them down to whomever he wills. I do not possess them, so as to be able to perform what you suggest. ‘I am only a plain warner’; I have nothing to do but to warn.” (Is the Qur’an Infallible?, p. 369 emphasis ours) 

Muslim Faruq Sherif notes: 

“Apart from its assertion of its inimitability and its reference to the Prophet’s ascension (if taken literally), the Qur’an does not attribute any miracles to the Prophet… Muhammad was often challenged by the pagans to produce miracles; his reply was that God makes miracles appear when he wills, but that the miracles which were performed by the prophets in the past were powerless to convince the people, who treated them as lies and sorcery. 

“The pagans’ persistent challenge embarrassed the Prophet who, reciting the Qur’an, always laid emphasis on the miracles bestowed by Allah not only on Moses and Jesus but also lesser figures such as Salih and Solomon. If, asked the pagans, Allah empowered Moses to dry the sea, and Jesus to bring the dead back to life, why did He not send down a miraculous sign to confirm Muhammad such as by enabling him to cause a spring to gush forth from a rock, by giving him a well-watered orchard, or a house adorned with gold, or a treasure, by sending angels to accompany him on earth, by exempting him from the necessity of eating and walking in the market, by permitting him to mount to heaven and bring back a written confirmation of his mission, or by causing a piece of the sky to fall upon the unbelievers and crush them? (XVII. 92-95, XX.133) 

“To all this the Prophet’s answer was: I am only a man and a warner; signs are in Allah’s hands, and those which were revealed to the former generations did not make them less intransigent… 

“Accordingly Muhammad declared that his unquestionable miracle was the revelation of the Qur’an. Nevertheless the pagans’ questions troubled his mind, and his bewilderment brought reproaches from Allah: ‘In case you are in doubt as to what We have revealed to you,’ says the Qur’an in X.94, ‘perhaps you feel inclined to suppress a part of what has been revealed to you, being distressed at heart lest they say why has not a treasure been sent down to him or why an angel has not come with him; but you are only a warner'’(XI.14). ‘If you find their aversion hard to bear, seek if you can a tunnel in the earth or a ladder to the sky by which you may bring them a sign’ (VI.35). (Sherif, A Guide to the Contents of the Qur’an [Garnet Publishing Limited; UK 1995], pp. 62, 63) 

Muslim Akbarally Meherally quotes Huston Smith with approval: 

“Huston Smith was a professor of Philosophy at Washington University. He writes in his book, The Religions of Man: 

In an age charged with supernaturalism, when miracles were accepted as the stock-in-trade of the most ordinary saint, Muhammed refused to traffic with human weakness and credulity. To miracle-hungry idolaters seeking signs and portents he cut the issue clean: ‘God has not sent me to work wonders; He has sent me to preach to you. My Lord be praised! Am I more than a man sent as an apostle? From the first to the last he resisted every impulse to glamorize his own person… ‘I am only a preacher of God’s words, the bringer of God’s message to mankind.’ If signs be sought, let them not be of Muhammed’s greatness but of God’s, and for these one need only open one’s eyes… Only one miracle is claimed, that of the Koran itself. That he by his own devices could have produced such truth-this was the one naturalistic hypothesis he could not accept.

(Meherally, Understanding the Bible through Koranic messages [A.M. Trust P.O. Box 82584, Burnaby, B.C. Canada, 1989], p. 99) 

What of the reports in the hadith where we are told that Muhammad actually performed many miracles? Norm Geisler and Abdul Saleeb respond: 

“There are many reasons for questioning the authenticity of these stories. Critics have observed the following. 

First, none of them are recorded in the Qur’an. In fact, they are in general contrary to the whole spirit of the Muhammad of the Qur’an, who repeatedly refused to do these very kinds of things for unbelievers who challenged him (3:181-84; 4:153; 6:8-9). 

Second, these alleged miracles follow the same pattern as the apocryphal miracles of Christ from a century or two after his death. They are a legendary embellishment of people removed from the original events. They do not come from contemporary eye-witnesses of the events. 

My response:

Every Prophet/Messenger before Muhammad peace be upon him had either a miracle or a series of correct Prophecies that proved that he was a Messenger from Allah Almighty.   These miracles however died with their Messengers.  For instance, we don't see today people raising the dead to life as Jesus and others did in the past, nor do we see anyone creating snakes from sticks, or spliting the sea in half as Moses did, peace be upon all of the Prophets.

The Miracle of Islam is alive until today.  The Miracles of Islam are in the Noble Quran.  The Noble Quran went through challenges and it passed them among the disbelievers.  The Noble Quran's Signs are in it.  For those who are seeking Miraculous Signs/Statements in the Noble Quran, then the following links as I posted them above will definitely show that.  And for those are seeking only Prophecies, then the last link is a detailed section that shows all of the Noble Quran's and Islam's Prophecies that were fulfilled and are being fulfilled:

From www.answering-christianity.com/sci_quran.htm:

Non-Muslim Scientists embraced Islam after discovering the Miracles of the Noble Quran!

Allah Almighty Said:

"We will soon show them Our signs in the Universe and INSIDE THEIR SELVES, until it will become quite clear to them that it is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things?  (The Noble Quran, 41:53)"

Very Important Discovery:

A new star forming out of a cloud of gas and dust (nebula), which is one of the remnants of the "smoke" that was the origin of the whole universe. (The Space Atlas, Heather and Henbest, page 50)
Allah Almighty said: "Then He turned to the heaven when it was smoke...(The Noble Quran, 41:11)"
The Noble Quran on the Origin of the Universe
Only Islam claims that the universe was originated from Dust and Hot Gas, or Smoke.

Another Very Important Discovery:

Allah Almighty Said:  "And when the heaven splitteth asunder and becometh ROSY LIKE RED HIDE -  (The Noble Quran, 55:37)"
What Allah Almighty is Saying here is that when Galaxies explode, they form a red-rose-shaped explosion.  He is also telling us that the Universe will all turn into red exploded galaxies looking like red or reddish roses when the Day of Judgement happens.

The explosion of Stars (FORMING RED ROSES), Galaxies and the Universe in the Noble Quran had been confirmed by NASA.

http://www.harunyahya.com/

"This web site has been developed with the aim of promoting and publicizing the works of Harun Yahya, a prominent Turkish thinker and author. His books have attracted great attention both in Turkey and worldwide. In the 90's especially, the works of Harun Yahya have been a means of intellectual awakening for many Muslims, and non-Muslims alike, in the face of the illusions of the modern age. In other words, the name Harun Yahya is an invitation to the truth.
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The books of Harun Yahya and thus this web site seek to recall various crucial facts, which people are led to disregard and even deny under the influence of the turmoil of the modern age. One of these basic facts is that of creation, that the universe, living things and man, are not self-existing entities, but the artifacts of God, the Supreme Creator. We are all created by Him and to Him we will all return. The allegedly "scientific" challenges to this fact — like Darwinism and other materialistic dogmas — are nothing but deceptions, as explained in this site."

(http://www.harunyahya.com/m_about_site.php)

Dr. Zahlool Al-Najjar is a great Muslim Geologist and Scientist who wrote many
books, publications (131 publications as shown on his resume in English), and
10s of journals and reports proving many of the Noble Quranic Geological and
Scientific Claims to be accurate through Modern Science and Technologies.

He is well known in the Scientists community of Geology in both the US and
Europe, because much of his work and research, especially during his early
days of scientific research, was done in these countries while he resided and
studied in them.

Science in Islam:

The sub sections here are:

1-  Life originated from water and dust in the Noble Quran, Plants and their origins.
2-  The Earth's rotation, formation, Mountains and Oceanology.
3-  The Universe, Time, Astronomy, UFOs and Space Shuttles.
4-  Embryology, Human Anatomy, Formation, and Creation from the time of sexual intercourse to the time of birth.
5-  The number 19 code in the Noble Quran.
6-  Medicine, Insects and Animals.
7-  Psychology.
8-  Great Web Sites and Online Books.  More great resources and web site are available online.
9-  Rebuttals.
10-  Prophecies.

1-  Life originated from water and dust in the Noble Quran, Plants and their origins:

Life originated from water in the Noble Quran.

Life and our physical bodies originated from CLAY - The Noble Quran Claimed it and Science confirmed it!

Science and Existence of Plant's pairs - The Noble Quran claimed it 1500 years ago!

2-  The Earth's rotation, formation, Mountains and Oceanology:

The Motion of Earth in the Noble Quran.

The Noble Quran confirms that the earth is rotating around its axle.

Allah Almighty said that the earth is "egg-shaped".

The reduction of earth's size in both the Noble Quran and Science!

The Earth is round according to Islam.

Faults on earth in the Noble Quran and Science!

The Black Sea and Dark Waters in the Noble Quran!

Living Creatures were sent down from space. Science confirms the Noble Quran's Claim.

The amazing creation of earth and mountains in the Noble Quran.   Science confirms that mountains prevent the earth from shaking while it is revolving around itself, and that they are like pegs rooted in it.  The Noble Quran made a similar claim.

Mountains prevent the earth from shaking - The Noble Quran claimed it and Science confirmed it!

Geology in the Noble Quran - See the Scientific confirmation.

Oceanology in the Noble Quran - See the Scientific confirmation.  The barriers between waters in both science and the Noble Quran.

The darkness of oceans and disappearance of light was mentioned in the Noble Quran and confirmed by Science.

3-  The Universe, Time, Astronomy, UFOs and Space Shuttles:

The fault line and crack (split) of the moon in Noble Quran!

The amazing creation of earth (its 7 properties from atmospheric and inner layers) and iron in the Noble Quran.   Iron came from space, and the Noble Quran mentioned it.

Seven Atmospheric Layers in the Noble Quran confirmed by Science!

Living Creatures were sent down from space. Science confirms the Noble Quran's Claim.

The Speed of Light in the Noble Quran - A superb article by a Muslim Mathematician!

Allah Almighty talked about lack of Oxygen and painful low pressure in space.  Science confirmed the Noble Quran's Divine Claim.

The Noble Quran and Astronomers both claim that the Universe is 18 billion years old.

The Big Bang Theory and the Cosmic Crunch in the Noble Quran.  Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him predicted around the time when the Cosmic Crunch occurs, the Sun would rise from the West.

The Noble Quran on the Origin of the Universe. This article has pictures and quotes from Western scientific books that accurately confirm the astronomical claims of the Noble Quran.  The Noble Quran was the only book that claimed that the universe originated from Hot Gas or Smoke.  Science proved that this claim is true.

The explosion of Stars (FORMING RED ROSES), Galaxies and the Universe in the Noble Quran had been confirmed by NASA.

Comparison between Allah Almighty's claims about His Creation, and the scientific discoveries that 100% agree with Him.  Claims such as:  The universe is expanding, the existence of the sun's orbit, the protective atmosphere to the earth, Embryology and many more.

Allah Almighty said in the Noble Quran that He is "Expanding" the Universe.  Scientists already proved this claim to be true.

The "Clot" and the Creation of the Universe in the Noble Quran.

Is there mention of U.F.Os or other Human Planets in the Noble Quran?

What does the sun orbit?

Einstein's time relativity in the Noble Quran.

Time Relativity in the Noble Quran.

UFOs and Space Shuttles were explicitly mentioned in the Noble Quran!  Even the communication with UFOs was prophesied in the Noble Quran.

Aliens and UFOs in the Noble Quran.

Black Holes and Piercing Stars in the Noble Quran were confirmed by Science.

4-  Embryology, Human Anatomy, Formation and Creation from the time of sexual intercourse to the time of birth:

The Noble Quran on Human Embryonic Development.

Embryology in the Noble Quran.   The three stages of the fetus formation in the Noble Quran and Science.

Abortion in Islam is a crime!   The fetus is a human child in Islam.

The Noble Quran on the Cerebrum: Lying is generated from the person's forehead.

The region in the brain that controls our movements - In Noble Quran and confirmed by Science.

Sex determination and human creation in Islam.  Allah Almighty and Prophet Muhammad both claimed that the human gender is determined by the male's ejaculated semen.

Were human cloning and gender alteration prophesied in Islam?

Why does the Noble Quran, while speaking about determination of the identity of the individual, speak specifically about finger tips?  The Noble Quran recognized that finger tips (finger prints) are unique!

The blood circulation and the production of milk in the Breast: In the Noble Quran and Science.

Breastfeeding for 2 years in the Noble Quran.  Science had confirmed Islam's Divine Claims.

Thinking with the heart besides the brain in the Noble Quran was proven by Science.

5-  The number 19 code in the Noble Quran:

The Miracle of the number 19 in the Noble Quran.  Yes, the number 19 is miraculous in the Noble Quran and was proven to be essential in many of the Scientific Theories and Discoveries.  But it doesn't at all support Rashad Khalifa's removal of two Noble Verses from the Noble Quran, and his claim to be GOD Almighty's Messenger.

6-  Medicine, Insects and Animals:

Animals' urine and it's relationship to medicine in Islam.

Camels could help cure humans.

Honey was proven to be healing for humans as was mentioned in the Noble Quran.

Scientific Miracles in the Quran Regarding Mary.

The fly insect and its cure: Mentioned in Islam and confirmed by Science (Bacteriophages).

7-  Psychology:

The psychological Wisdom of Prayers in Islam was proven in Science and Psychology.

The Wisdom of the age of 40 in the Noble Quran, which had been Scientifically and Psychologically proven to be True.  See why Allah Almighty is more forgiving to those who are under the age of 40, and how Science and Psychology proved that people under 40 are less mature and tend to make more irresponsible decisions (i.e., mistakes and sins).

8-  Great Web Sites:

http://www.geocities.com/thetruebook/index.htm   A great web site by a Muslim sister.  Her name is Sundus.

http://www.it-is-truth.net/   This is an awesome web site that has Western scientific information that accurately confirms the Noble Quran's claims about astronomy, biology, geology and other sciences.

http://www.universalunity.net/universe.htm   A great site with excellent articles that are backed quotes and proofs about science in the Noble Quran.

This web site is rich with irrefutable scientific facts and details that match many of the Noble Quran's Verses.  He has done a wonderful job in explaining things in good details and providing detailed OBJECTIVE analysis that prove the Noble Quran's Scientific Miracles.  http://www.rationalreality.com.

Warning:  This is a Hadith-rejector web site.

A great book that contains several articles backed by good Scientific references that prove several of the Noble Quran's Scientific Miracles.  http://www.islam-guide.com/.

http://www.harunyahya.com/
http://www.harunyahya.com/c_refutation_darwinism.php
http://www.harunyahya.com/c_refutation_atheism.php
http://www.harunyahya.com/c_design_nature.php
Miracles of the Noble Quran.  Video files.
http://www.harunyahya.com/c_miracles_quran.php
http://www.harunyahya.com/c_quran_archaeology.php
http://www.harunyahya.com/c_myth_called_matter.php

The Bible, the Quran and Science.  Written by Dr Maurice Bucaille.  In his work, Dr. Baucille proves that the Quran correctly stated scientific facts unknown at the time of the Prophet - showing its divine origin!

A web site for the number 19 miracle in the Noble Quran.

Evaluating Islam as a Religion based on Divine Revelation.

Quran Prior to Science and Civilization, Astro, Islam, Mlivo.

Black Holes and Piercing Stars in the Noble Quran were confirmed by Science.

9-  Rebuttals:

Does the Noble Quran support "The Earth moves around the Sun" theory?  Rebuttal to Mr. Avijit Roy's challenge.

My rebuttal to Avijit Roy's "Does the Quran support the Earth moves around the Sun theory" response.

My rebuttal to Avijit Roy's "Does Quran have any Scientific miracles?" article.

The Black Sea and Dark Waters in the Noble Quran!

A Muslim response to criticism of Embryology in the Noble Quran.  By Nadeem Arif Najmi.

Allah Almighty said that the earth is "egg-shaped".  Rebuttal to the Christian "Answering Islam" team about "dahaha" in the Noble Quran.

My rebuttal to Jochen Katz' "The Qur'an and the flight of birds" article.

Did the Noble Quran really plagiarize Greek Embryology?  A very nice article.

10-  Prophecies:

Please visit The Noble Quran section, and read the "Prophecies" sub section to see the great Prophecies that were fulfilled only in the Noble Quran.  The Noble Quran also made mention and promised the discovery of lost ancient cities and people's bodies, and these promises were all fulfilled today.

He wrote:

Osama continues:

For one thing, what does Benny Hinn have to do with Paul? Also how does Osama know that these miracles are fake? Has he inspected them himself? No. He just assumes and doesn't provide any evidence for his claims, like he says about Paul. Why should we accept what he says then? Paul did perform miracles. He healed a demoniac girl as well as knocked off a poisonous snake without being harmed. Muhammad himself said Jesus commissioned Paul. So what is his problem with Paul?

My response:

The reference you provided above about Prophet Muhammad approving Paul is very weak and doubtful.  It is not authentic and strong.  The reason why I mentioned Benny Hinn or Benny Hynn, is because we see him today with our eyes claiming to make miracles, when in reality he is a crook!

If Paul was really Truthful, then he wouldn't have contradicted Jesus, and well respected Christian theologians would not have rejected him:

Is circumcision allowed or not allowed in the Bible?  See the clear contradiction between Jesus and Paul.

Also, Paul was rejected by many well-respected Christian theologians.

He wrote:

Basically this is just a repeat of the above argument. We've already shown that Osama’s arguments do nothing to undermine Paul’s credibility. In fact, after Paul’s dispute with Peter, the latter was humble enough to admit and write:

Noted Evangelical Scholar Douglas J. Moo comments:

It should be noted that this is also an "NIV" source which refutes the absurd idea of Paul's words as being uninspired. Osama is obviously running out of ideas and must result to "poisoning the well" against the beloved Apostle Paul.

We've already discussed verse this passage. But lets turn this same argument against Muhammad. He claimed to have met Gabriel as well as allegedly reporting what Jesus said to the Jews. Muhammad couldn't prove either one. He never met Jesus neither did he speak Hebrew nor Aramaic, so how could he know exactly what Jesus said?

The Quran claims:

For he appeared (in stately form) while he was in the highest part of the horizon; then he approached and came closer, and was at a distance of but two bow-lengths or (even) nearer; So did (God) convey the inspiration to His Servant - (Conveyed) what He (meant) to convey. The (Prophet's mind and) heart in no way falsified that which he saw. Will ye then dispute with him concerning what he saw? For indeed he saw him at a second descent, near the Lote-tree beyond which none may pass: near it is the Garden of Abode. Behold, the Lote-tree was shrouded (in mystery unspeakable!). (His) sight never swerved nor did it go wrongs! For truly did he see of the Signs of his Lord, the Greatest! Surah 53.6-18

In another passage the Qur'an again states explicitly that Muhammad had a definite vision:

Another verse states clearly that the vision was given by Allah himself:

The confident manner in which Muhammad claimed that he had at least two definite visions strongly suggests that he really did see a strange being on the horizon. He described the second vision in these words:

"Once while I was walking, all of a sudden I heard a voice from the sky. I looked up and saw to my surprise, the same Angel as had visited me in the cave of Hira. He was sitting on a chair between the sky and the earth. I got afraid of him and came back home and said, Wrap me! Wrap me!" (Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 6, p. 452).

Muslims vehemently claim that it was the angel Gabriel who came to Muhammad, yet the Qur'an only once refers to Jibril as the medium of the revelation (Surah 2.97) while stating elsewhere that it came down with the Ruhul-Amin, the Faithful Spirit (Surah 26.193). The identification of Gabriel as the Qur'anic messenger is significantly only made in a very late passage of the Qur'an after Muhammad had many dealings with Jews and Christians. This spirit never identified himself as Gabriel when Muhammad first met him. Nor do we find an explicit connection between the spirit and Gabriel. Also since the name Gabriel came in a very late passage of the Quran, this shows that Muhammad wasn’t at all certain about the identity of this spirit.

My resposne:

The Noble Quran clearly defines Angel Gabriel peace be upon him as the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Faith (Ruhul-Iman).

The different "Canons" of the Bible!

Different and conflicting variations of "gospels" and "books" that are disagreed upon by the Churches today.

101 Contradictions in the Bible!

He wrote:

He had to be around the Jews and Christians before finally deciding that Gabriel must have also been involved in the sending down of the “revelation.” A telling story indeed.

This explains why Muhammad thought he was demon possessed, or influenced by demons; the Quran in many places reads like typical Arabic poetry. Note also the following embarrassing hadith:

This is very important for the reader to recognize. Muhammad saw a spirit which nobody else saw. This again is precarious because in order to believe that Gabriel came we would have to accept only the testimony of Muhammad. It’s one thing to be visited by an angel and you are by yourself. But to claim that an angel entered a room without anybody else besides yourself seeing him is another story. Muhammad was hallucinating or he was bewitched into seeing things that weren’t there. In either case, why should we accept his testimony about Allah? You can’t even verify that Gabriel was present. Even Muhammad’s companions didn’t see him, which leaves him as a single witness. Ironically, this is the same thing that Osama says about Paul.

Other people recognize "Gabriel" as a person they knew.

Very strange indeed. If we take Muhammad’s testimony seriously, we are left with the conclusion that Muhammad’s Gabriel was none other than a man whom Um Salama said was “Dihya” and happened to be Muhammad’s companion!!! Why didn’t she recognize Gabriel? The 3 wise men recognized the angel and didn’t mistake his identity. However Muhammad thought that his own companion was Gabriel!!! Since nobody else thought it was Gabriel, but recognized him as a known friend, this shows us that Muhammad was bewitched into believing that Dihya was Gabriel, or that he was hallucinating like the little kid on the move "The Sixth Sense". Either way he should be given an Oscar for the best acting job ever, since he fooled millions of Muslims into following his claim, including Osama who demands proof for Paul!!

My response:

The following is taken from Was Muhammad influenced by magic or hypnotism?:

If Muhammad was the Messenger of GOD, then how come he was sometimes influenced by magic?

The sections of this article are:

- If Muhammad was the Messenger of GOD, then how come he was sometimes
  influenced by magic?
- It wasn't magic.  It was hypnotism!
- Muhammad was a Prophet from Allah, how come hypnotism was able to effect him?
- How do we know then that the revelations from Muhammad that he claimed were
  from Allah were indeed Divine Inspiration and not the work of hypnotism?

Let us look at the following Saying (Hadith) regarding Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him:

Narrated Aisha: "Magic was worked on Allah's Apostle so that he used to think that he had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not (Sufyan said: That is the hardest kind of magic as it has such an effect). Then one day he said, "O 'Aisha do you know that Allah has instructed me concerning the matter I asked Him about? Two men came to me and one of them sat near my head and the other sat near my feet. The one near my head asked the other. What is wrong with this man?' The latter replied the is under the effect of magic The first one asked, Who has worked magic on him?' The other replied Labid bin Al-A'sam, a man from Bani Zuraiq who was an ally of the Jews and was a hypocrite.' The first one asked, What material did he use)?' The other replied, 'A comb and the hair stuck to it.' The first one asked, 'Where (is that)?' The other replied. 'In a skin of pollen of a male date palm tree kept under a stone in the well of Dharwan' '' So the Prophet went to that well and took out those things and said "That was the well which was shown to me (in a dream) Its water looked like the infusion of Henna leaves and its date-palm trees looked like the heads of devils." The Prophet added, "Then that thing was taken out' I said (to the Prophet ) "Why do you not treat yourself with Nashra?" He said, "Allah has cured me; I dislike to let evil spread among my people."   (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 660)"

From the above Saying (Hadith) of our beloved Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, we see the following:

1- Magic was played on the Prophet that he sometimes used to think that he was having sex with his wives when he actually was not.

2- A hypocrite played this magic on the Prophet and effected him by Allah Almighty's will.

3- The Prophet relied only on Allah Almighty to cure him.  He could've used the "Nashra" treatment, but he chose not to.  He waited until Allah Almighty cured him, because he wanted to teach the Muslims to rely only on Allah Almighty for cures, and not on superstitious acts.

It wasn't magic.  It was hypnotism!

The following is an email I received from a Muslim brother; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.

From: "Moe _" <forest80@hotmail.com>
To: truthspeaks@answering-christianity.com
Subject: Muhammad (PBUH) and Magic
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 20:01:50 +0000

I just read your page on Muhammad (Peace be up on him) and Magic and I realized something.  This is a clear case of hypnosis, plain and simple.  We know that the *science* of hypnosis evolved in the 19th century and so we can accurately deduce that in the 5th century (600AD) hypnosis was only known by the term Magic.  Even today there is no one word for hypnosis in Arabic. And even today people can be hypnotized, so why wouldn't Muhammad (Peace be up on him) be able to get hypnotized, ESPECIALLY if Allah wants to teach us a lesson.  How you can tell this is hypnosis.

1. The person who performed it didn't do anything really spectacular, it's not like he did Magic and made Muhammad's (Peace be up on him) hair or other body part disappear.

2. Look at the Hadith: Magic was worked on Allah's Apostle so that he used to ***think*** that he had sexual relations with his wives. But back then there was no other way to describe it but Magic.

Next look at the Webster's dictionary definition in English for hypnosis:

Main Entry: hyp·no·sis
Pronunciation: hip-'nO-s&s
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural hyp·no·ses /-"sEz/
Etymology: New Latin
Date: 1876
1 : a state that resembles sleep but is induced by a person whose
suggestions are readily accepted by the subject
2 : any of various conditions that resemble sleep
3 : HYPNOTISM 1

Look at the date!! 1876... if the word didn't exist in English until 1876 then why would it exist in 600 AD in the Middle East?

Salam,
Mohamad

Muhammad was a Prophet from Allah, how come hypnotism was able to effect him?

Because Allah Almighty wanted to teach us that non is perfect but Him.  He inspired Muhammad peace be upon him to only seek the cure from Allah Almighty to set the example for all Muslims.  Muslims need to have high faith in Allah Almighty no matter how difficult their situation is.  This event showed the Muslim even Muhammad peace be upon him is helpless without the help of Allah Almighty.

How do we know then that the revelations from Muhammad that he claimed were from Allah were indeed Divine Inspiration and not the work of hypnotism?

The Noble Quran (Allah Almighty's Noble Book) is a book that proved itself to be the Truth.  It's Prophecies were all fulfilled.  It's Divine Message and strong Literature proved itself to be the Truth among all of the pagan Arabs who all latter embraced Islam.  Muhammad was predicted to come in the Bible.  The Message of the Oneness of Allah Almighty and the sacrifices that Muhammad peace be upon him has put to embrace it and spread it only prove that he was indeed the True Messenger of Allah Almighty.  Islam's "Oneness of GOD" Message came and conflicted a great deal with the Pagan Arabs customs, culture and business, because they worshiped more than 360 idol gods, and those idol gods were the main factor for generating money for them.  Muhammad and his followers were forced into so many challenges/battles and survived all of them and by the Will of Allah Almighty were able to ultimately defeat all pagans and make the entire Middle East a Muslim region.  How could Muhammad and his Message survive all of this if GOD Almighty wasn't backing him up all the way?  How else would a True Messenger from Allah Almighty prove himself to be truthful? 

Allah Almighty promised to keep His Noble Book safe from corruption; "We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly Guard it (from corruption).  (The Noble Quran, 15:9)"  Also "Nay, this is a Glorious Quran, (inscribed) in a Tablet Preserved !  (The Noble Quran, 85:21-22)"  Today, there is only ONE Arabic Noble Quran copy in the entire world.  

The following links on this site will help you fully understand the Truth of Islam:

1- Allah Almighty scientific claims about how He created things accurately matches the Scientific Discoveries that we have today.  Muhammad could not have come up with these claims on his own.  For instance, the Big Bang Theory today proved that the Universe was originally formed from "hot gas".  The Noble Quran also claims that GOD Almighty Created the Universe from "hot gas".   Another example is science proved today that the metal "iron" was not formed from earth material.  It came from traveling stars that collided with earth billions of years ago, and when their melted metals cooled off and turned into solid form, they formed what we call today the metal of "iron".  The Noble Quran says that Allah Almighty sent down "iron" for us.  It was not created from earth.  This link has many details regarding this subject.  PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU CLICK ON LINK #1 to get the most details.  The other links in this link are short articles that I wrote, and I recommend for you to read them as well.

2- Prophet Muhammad's Prophecies.   Click on this link and read the "Prophecies" section.

3- Muhammad was foretold in the Bible.

4- Human equality in Islam.

5- What is the wisdom of Islam?

6-  The Blessed Jesus peace be upon him in Islam.

He wrote:

Osama has no qualms with the NIV here, and seemingly agrees that Paul wrote this book. The rest is just a repeat from the above.

My response:

I was only showing the contradiction in styles between the gospels and books in the New Testament.  Only Paul's books had their authors' signature on them.  The rest didn't.  GOD Almighty can not have this huge difference in style if He and only He inspired the entire New Testament.

He wrote:

The rest of Osama's argument is a repeat from above. Osama mistakenly claims that Paul didn’t stamp his name on this book. This is an amazing claim seeing that just earlier he quoted this book to cast doubt on Paul’s credibility due to his dispute with Peter! It is obvious that Osama hasn’t read the book since if he did he would have found:

All Osama can do here is appeal to some 19th century scholars, individuals he doesn’t even bother naming since he has obviously never read their works, in order to cast doubts the authenticity of this authorship.

My response:

Thanks to the NIV Bible Committee, they seem to take their work seriously since they obviously read it.  If their work was not relevant, we would not see it listed in the NIV Bible commentary.

He wrote:

Regarding Galatians 1:6, this exposes Osama’s naivete regarding biblical inspiration. But instead of educating him on the subject, we will simply apply his criteria to the Quran to see if it passes:

It doesn't take a genius to see that this truly can't be from Allah. Osama complains about says "Paul's greetings" etc, but says nothing about Surah 1! Will Osama be consistent and say that this Surah isn't from God? He would have to if he were honest and consistent.

My response:

The difference between Galatians 1:6 and Noble Chapter 1 in the Noble Quran is that Paul was having a personal conversation/statement, while Noble Chapter One was a Revelation from Allah Almighty.

The following is taken from Is the First Chapter in the Noble Quran (Surat Al-Fatiha) a prayer from Muhammad peace be upon him? or a True Word of GOD (Allah Almighty)?:

Is the First Chapter in the Noble Quran (Surat Al-Fatiha) a prayer from Muhammad peace be upon him? or a True Word of GOD (Allah Almighty)?

Let us look at Noble Chapter (Surah) 1 "1. In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
2. Praise be to God, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the world;
3. Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
4. Master of the Day of Judgment.
5. Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek.
6. Show us the straight way,
7. The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray."

Allah Almighty was glorifying Himself.  He was teaching us how to glorify Him. This Noble Chapter is used in every single prayer Muslims perform. It is very important for us to use it because in our prayers we glorify Allah Almighty.  That is why He (Allah Almighty) taught us how to glorify Him in Words and in Action (praying) so we can always do it right!.

A continuation of my answer from sister Nicole Woods, an American young sister who embraced Islam; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with her:

A good addition would be the Hadith (Saying of our Prophet) Qudsi [A Qudsi Hadith is the most sacred or authentic of all the Sayings of our Prophet]  that says:

On the authority of Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) from the Prophet (PBUH), who said:
A prayer performed by someone who has not recited the Essence of the Quran (1) during it is deficient (and he repeated the word three times), incomplete. Someone said to Abu Hurayrah: [Even though] we are behind the imam? (2) He said: Recite it to yourself, for I have heard the Prophet (may the blessings and peace of Allah be up on him) say: Allah (mighty and sublime be He), had said: I have divided prayer between Myself and My servant into two halves, and My servant shall have what he has asked for. When the servant says: Al-hamdu lillahi rabbi l-alamin (3), Allah (mighty and sublime be He) says: My servant has praised Me. And when he says: Ar-rahmani r-rahim (4), Allah (mighty and sublime be He) says: My servant has extolled Me, and when he says: Maliki yawmi d-din (5), Allah says: My servant has glorified Me - and on one occasion He said: My servant has submitted to My power. And when he says: Iyyaka na budu wa iyyaka nasta in (6), He says: This is between Me and My servant, and My servant shall have what he has asked for. And when he says: Ihdina s-sirata l- mustaqim, siratal ladhina an amta alayhim ghayril-maghdubi alayhim wa la d-dallin (7), He says: This is for My servant, and My servant shall have what he has asked for.

(1) Surat al-Fatihah, the first Surah (chapter) of the Qur'an.

(2) i.e. standing behind the imam (leader) listening to him reciting al-Fatihah.

(3) "Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds."

(4) "The Merciful, the Compassionate".

(5) "Master of the Day of Judgement".

(6) "It is You we worship and it is You we ask for help".

(7) "Guide us to the straight path, the path of those upon whom You have bestowed favors, not of those against whom You are angry, nor of those who are astray".

It was related by Muslim (also by Malik, at-Tirmidhi, Abu-Dawud, an-Nasa'i and Ibn Majah).

A continuation to my answer from a Muslim; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him:

Regarding this question about Surah Fateha, the world renowned scholar of Noble Qur'aan [Syed Abu-Ala' Maududi] says and I quote:

Surah Fateha
Name
This Surah is named AL-FATIHAH because of its subject-matter. Fatihah is that which opens a subject or a book or any other thing. In other words, Al-Fatihah is a sort of preface.

Theme
This Surah is in fact a prayer which Allah has taught to all those who want to make a study of His book. It has been placed at the very beginning of the book to teach this lesson to the reader: if you sincerely want to benefit from the Quran, you should offer this prayer to the Lord of the Universe.

This preface is meant to create a strong desire in the heart of the reader to seek guidance from the Lord of the Universe, Who alone can grant it. Thus AL-FATIHAH indirectly teaches that the best thing for a man is to pray for guidance to the straight path, to study the Quran with the mental attitude of a seeker- after-truth and to recognize the fact that the Lord of the Universe is the source of all knowledge. He should, therefore, begin the study of the Quran with a prayer to him for guidance.

From this theme, it becomes clear that the real relation between AL-FATIHAH and the Quran is not that of an introduction to a book but that of a prayer and its answer. AL-FATIHAH is the prayer from the servant and the Quran is the answer from the Master to his prayer. The servant prays to Allah to show him guidance and the Master places the whole of the Quran before him in answer to his prayer, as if to say, "This is the Guidance you begged from Me."

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Take another look at the highlighted parts. Since Muslims believe that the Quran is the speech of Allah, this means that Allah is worshipping either himself or is worshipping some other Allah and seeking the guidance of this other god to show him the straight path!

If Osama denies this then he must admit that the Quran isn't totally from Allah, and concde the fact that parts of it originate from men. Here are more examples showing that the Quran is not completely from Allah:

We must wonder whether if Allah is coming down because Muhammad’s Lord commanded him? And if so, is there another god that we don't know about? If Osama claims that this isn't Allah coming down at the command of another god, then to use his methodology consistently we must conclude that Allah didn’t author these parts but someone else did. These passages are either the words of men or angels, which would debunk the Islamic idea that the Quran is the speech of Allah alone. Again:

The question that has to be answered is if this is Allah who is speaking then who is the Lord that he serves? If it is the angels or Muhammad speaking, then the Quran cannot be considered 100% the word of God. Using Osama's method this is exactly what we find.

Other passages that are either nonsensical or have no value and practical application include:

Does this mean that entering backdoors is a sin? What about the following verses:

What does this have to do with people today and why even bother “revealing” these instructions? And these:

It seems that Allah really went out of his way to insure that Muhammad got rich! In the words of Osama, why take every single word of the Quran, especially regarding instances in Muhammad’s life which have no practical value for us today, as Words of GOD Almighty?!

My response:

As most of the times, your whole logic is lengthy and is made up of a bunch of nonsense.  Your combination of the Noble Verses above clearly proves that you love to mix things that are not related to each others to make up a gibirish point.  This is very similar to the trinity polytheist pagan theory that was created by your people.   Anyway, I have addressed your points in great details in the following links:

Good Manners in Islam.   Read the "Respecting others' properties" section.

Did Muhammad self-serve himself in the Noble Quran?

Prophet Muhammad a double-faced hypocrite?

If Muhammad peace be upon him was fake?

My response to "Muhammad didn't have witnesses to prove that he was truthful"

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We already presented evidence demonstrating that Paul was an inspired Apostle, so we won’t bother repeating ourselves. We would simply like to know why does Paul have to mention in every book that he is inspired? Is this some rule we don't know about Osama?

My response:

I have to remind Quennel that these are not my words, but the words of the NIV Bible committee themselves.  I only quoted them and showed how doubtful this book is.

He wrote:

Since Osama demands such a statement from Ephesians, we issue the following challenge. Provide verses from the Quran that claims that ALL OF IT IS FROM ALLAH AND THAT ALL 114 SURAHS WERE SENT DOWN FROM ALLAH TO MUHAMMAD. I'll be waiting.

My response:

You're comparing Paul's personal conversations to the Noble Quran's Revelations.   You're comparing apples to oranges.  It's not the same, because the Noble Quran in so many Noble Verses claimed to be from Allah Almighty, while all you have in the Bible is conversations and fights among disciples in the New Testament (in some occasions as I showed above).

Again, please visit this link: Responses to the "Textual Variants" lies in the Noble Quran.  History of the Noble Quran's preservation.

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If the Book was sent to Paul, the author clearly would've said it. Paul identified himself as an apostle and said that the book WAS TO THE SAINTS IN EPHESUS NOT TO PAUL. Osama doesn't even understand the Greek usage which shows that Paul was sending this letter to someone else. He lies and claims that somebody else sent it to Paul. So who sent it to Paul Osama? Surely you know right? Or is this just another one of your bright ideas?

My response:

Like almost all of the Bible's gospels and books, there are reasonable doubts regarding the authenticity of this book, and I simply raised those doubts.  Saying "He lies..." about me only proves that you are a low-life who must resort to personal insults to defend his corrupted Bible.

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Osama erroneously assumes that since Paul writes in the third person this cannot really be the Apostle who is writing this. If this is the case that third person usage points to someone else, then Allah cannot be the author of the Quran since he too uses the third person!

Perhaps Osama can explain to us why he still believes in the Quran in light of these facts.

My response:

Paul is an individual who wrote his books and claimed in some of them that he was the sole author of those books.  Having third-party narrations in his other books clearly raises doubts since it contradicts his style as a human.  In the case of the Noble Quran, it was revealed by Allah Almighty.  It wasn't written by Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.  Prophet Muhammad never took ownership in any of the contents of the Noble Quran.  Again, you're comparing apples with oranges.  The clear contradiction in writting styles and the lack of knowing who really wrote those books and gospels in the New Testament clearly proves that (1) They were written by different mysterious individuals; and (2) They are corrupted.  Only a biased and blind person would refuse this obvious fact.

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Furthermore, if Osama really knew anything he would have known that the Greek word for Greetings which is used in the Bible is Aspasmos, which isn't present here at all. Neither does the word Dear (Greek- Agapetos) appear in this passage. Therefore, his theory that Ephesians mentioning Paul in the third person after a greeting proves that Paul didn’t author it is blatantly false.

My response:

Well again Quennel, the theologians of the NIV Bible wrote this: "...Some have taken the absence of the usual personal greetings and the verbal similarity of many parts to Colossians, among other reasons, as grounds for doubting authorship by the apostle Paul.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1790)"  They seem to agree with the other knowledable theologians that the book is doubtful.  Why should I believe a clown such as yourself when it comes to theology and refuse the discoveries of those who agree that it is a doubtful book?

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The rest is just a repeat about Benny Hinn.

Again Osama says the exact opposite of the NIV! It is the unanimous testimony of the earliest eyewitnesses, not just an assumption. Do you see assumption in the NIV quote? No.

We've already exposed Osama's lack of knowledge about Greek. There is no word for greetings or dear present in the text and is therefore not an example of 3rd person use.

Since Osama claims to follow the NIV why does he deny that Paul wrote this when the NIV claims that the early Church unanimously held to Pauline authorship? Did he promote himself to the NIV committee now? Surely not since he can't even get the simple Greek words of the greetings correct. The rest of Osama's argument is the same repetitious post dealing with Benny Hinn, etc. He uses the same arguments against Colossians and 1 and 2 Thessalonians, even though the NIV attributes Pauline authorship to all these books. Since he claims that the NIV is truthful, we must believe the NIV over his assertions.

My response:

All I did Quennel was raise some very simple questions.  This is how it is with you and your trinitarian people.  It takes a 50-page article to answer few simple questions and concerns.  You call this junk a True Religion of GOD Almighty?   Please! 

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Osama continues his fanciful argument by appealing to a dubious authority. Let us look at the quote closely to expose his gross misunderstanding:

At the beginning of his quote it EXPLICTEDLY SAYS THAT THE AUTHOR IDENTIFIES HIMSELF AS JOHN. So what does Osama's argument stem from? Read:

Anyone who reads this closely sees immediately that Osama bases his whole argument on what Dionysius claimed. So his whole theory about Revelation being corrupted is based on what Dionysius decided. This doesn't constitute as proof whatsoever, since this is just the opinion of one person. Who are we supposed to believe? John, who wrote his name 4 times or some bishop which came approximately 200 years after John? Its funny how Osama argues that the Bible isn't current and yet appeals to a bishop who lived in the 3rd century!

Again Osama continues his argument based on some little known African Bishop who lived nearly 2 centuries later. He must think they we are so stupid to believe that a human can only write in one style of writing for all his life. Maybe Osama didn't attend college. If he did he would know that writing styles are based upon the situation that is being addressed. For example, when you write a business proposal you would use a different language and style compared to writing a love letter. As for his quotes let us look at them closely:

Isn't it hilarious that he uses this as proof about John being corrupted when infact HIS EARLIEST IDENTIFICATION OF REVELATION NOT BEING CORRECT ALSO STEMS FROM A SO-CALLED CHURCH FATHER 200 YEARS LATER!! So, if he uses this method to prove John false, we can also prove his argument false by the same measure.

This is a mere assumption. Again, I challenged Osama to show us a single Bible verse where it is mandatory for the writer to give his name. He has yet to produce a single verse to prove this!! So basically he is assuming something he has yet to prove.

My response:

Here is what the NIV commentary says:  "Four times the author identifies himself as John (1:1,4,9; 22:8).....In the third century, however, an African bishop named Dionysius compared the language, style and thought of the Apocalypse (Revelation) with that of the other writings of John and decided that the book could not been written by the apostle of John.  He suggested that the author was a certain John the Presbyter, whose name appears elsewhere in ancient writings.  Although many today follow Dionysius in his view of authorship, the external evidence seems overwhelmingly supportive of the traditional view.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1922)"

Again, we don't know who wrote the Book of Revelation.  It is certainly highly doubtful that it was written by Apostle John.  The Theologians and Historians of the NIV Bible seem to agree with the invalidity of this book from the above quote.  So are you now going to consider the other John's words as the Words and Inspirations of GOD Almighty?

As we see, the style of writing in the book of Revelation is different from the books that are believed to be from John which are the Gospel of John, 1 John, 2 John and 3 John.   The book of Revelation's style seems to be closer to John the Presbyter's writings.   This man is known in ancient writings.  There are also many Christian theologians today that hold the same view about the falsety of the book of Revelation.

Isn't this sufficient enough to prove that the book is doubtful?

Notice that in the sections of "Gospel of John" and "Gospels of 1, 2 & 3  John" above, the author did not identify himself and it was ASSUMED without actual proofs that it was Saint John who wrote them.  Notice how they said that if he were to identify himself, then it would be hard for them to explain it.

Now, notice the author in the Book of Revelation does identify himself as John, but he has a complete different language and style of writing from the other books, which created much uncertainty about its validity in the Church.

My questions here are:  Who wrote the Books?  And is or is not Saint John supposed to identify himself in his books?  And where are his books that have his name on them?

Again, keep in mind that the NT was not even documented on paper until 150 to 300 years after Jesus (depending on what Christian you talk to).  So the dating is way too long for us to be assuming books to belong to certain people.  Let alone considering their nonsense (contents) as the True Living Words of GOD Almighty.

Please visit: Jesus the "Alpha and Omega".   Not only this quote doesn't prove Jesus as GOD, but it was also written in a book that is unreliable in later bibles.  In the original Bibles, the quote doesn't even exist!!

Arche of the Creation of God as Alpha and Omega.  The "Alpha and Omega" doesn't even exist in the original Bibles!  It's a lie that was later inserted by trinitarians.  See the historical proofs in the article.  If their site is down, then you can read the article at this link ON MY SITE.

False and failed Prophecies about the Hour put in the mouth of Jesus in the books of Mark, Luke and Revelation in the New Testament.

The Book of Revelation is a very important, probably the most important Book in the Bible today, because it has prophecies in it of what Christians believe is for our future today, even though it has nothing to do with our current world.  It talks about Jesus soon (1800 to 2000 years ago) will return (Revelation 22:7).  I don't know how soon is 2000 years to the Bible.  All the people that this book was told to had died.  

It also talks about the great battle of Gog and Magog fighting the righteous; "and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth  [The earth DOES NOT have four corners and no the earth is not a square or rectangle.  It is round almost like an egg!!]--Gog and Magog--to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.  (From the NIV Bible, Revelation 20:8)"

The thing that we need to notice here beside the grave error about the shape of the earth in this false book (sorry to say that), is that the Gog and Magog existed before.  Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal (Ezekiel 39:1), is the name of the leader and Magog is the name of his nation (Ezekiel 38 and 39).  The Gog and Magog army had already been defeated and the Noble Quran confirms their story.   There had been historical discoveries that perfectly match the Noble Quran's claims regarding the Gog and Magog, such as the discovery of the "Iron Gates", and other literature that mentions the Gog and Magog army and location.  There is even historical documentation about them which matches the Noble Quran in London, England.

Please visit The story of Gog and Magog and the Iron Gates in the Noble Quran and the Bible to see the references and proofs of these historical discoveries and several more.

The Bible says: The earth is flat!  See all the verses in the Bible that claim the earth is flat.

It is a common Christian answer to say "We support Israel because it is God's promised land to the Jews, and He will prevail them against the army of Gog and Magog who seems to be mainly an Islamic army today."  They mostly rely on the Book of Revelation from the Bible to support this claim.

The story of the Gog and Magog army attacking the Jews exists in both the Book of Ezekiel and the Book of Revelation in the Bible.  The Book of Ezekiel which came literally thousands of years before the Book of Revelation predicted the attack and defeat of the army of Gog and Magog.

The Noble Quran (The Muslims' Holy Scripture) talks about the army of Gog and Magog in details and explains the events that ALREADY took place.  As I mentioned above, there had been historical discoveries that perfectly match the Noble Quran's claims regarding the Gog and Magog, such as the discovery of the "Iron Gates", and other literature that mentions the Gog and Magog army and location.

Please visit The army of Gog and Magog and the Iron Gates in the Noble Quran and the Bible.

The lie (sorry to say that) of the Book of Revelation, however, also predicts the coming of the army of Gog and Magog.  But as I said, the army of Gog and Magog were ALREADY predicted in the Bible thousands of years before the Book of Revelation.

So, the prediction in the Book of Revelation proves that the writer of the book, lacked a great deal of knowledge about history, because as I said, the event of the Gog and Magog battle (i.e., the battle of Armageddon) already happened!

The point is that the Book of Revelation, however, like most of the Bible today seems to be nothing but a big hoax (sorry to say that).  It is very doubtful, but yet ironically, very important to the Christians of today.

Would you honestly deep inside yourself call nonsense of this kind the True Living Words of GOD Almighty, especially after knowing that very important early Christian resources thought "the book could not been written by the apostle of John"?

Please visit What parts of the Bible do Muslims believe in?

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A day is like unto a thousand years to God, so basically using God's timing we have only been waiting 2 days. How can Osama argue about the Bible when he doesn't even know anything about it? In fact the Book of Revelation never said those people who lived in that time would see it, Osama has invented a straw man and then proceeds on to refute it.

The fight of Ezekiel 38 and 39 occurs before the Tribulation. Gog and Mag still exist since this is the modern country of Russia! Russia didn't collapse from a war silly! This has yet to take place.

My response:

The topic of Gog and Magog is explained in details in the Noble Quran and Hadiths.   It's too much to paste here, so I will post the links for the reader to read:

From www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_in_islam.htm, section "The "Chosen People?!" of GOD, the End of Times and Gog and Magog":

The "Chosen People?!" of GOD, the End of Times and Gog and Magog:

Introduction:   Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him predicted that the Muslim countries shall all be corrupted.  Today almost every single Muslim country is ruled by a corrupted infidel dictatorship:

Narrated Thauban:  "The Prophet peace be upon him said:  'The nations shall gather and team up against you (i.e., Muslims) as the predators gather and team up against their preys.  A questioner asked: 'Is it because of us being low in numbers at that day?'  The Prophet replied: 'No, you that day shall be in great numbers, but you will be as powerless as the foam of the water on the surface of the river, and Allah shall remove any fear from your enemies toward you, and He shall put in your hearts a corruption.'  A questioner asked: 'O Apostle of Allah, what is the corruption?'  The Prophet replied: 'The love of life's amusements and the fear of death.'  (Translation of Sunan Abu Dawud, The Book of Fierce Battles - The Gathering of all Nations against Islam, Book 37, Number 4297)"

He also predicted that the battle of Armageddon will take place when Saudi Arabia today will be corrupted, which in fact it is already:

Narrated Mu'adh ibn Jabal:  "The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The flourishing state of Jerusalem will be when Yathrib is in ruins, the ruined state of Yathrib will be when the great war comes, the outbreak of the great war (i.e., the battle of Armageddon) will be at the conquest of Constantinople and the conquest of Constantinople when the Dajjal (Antichrist) comes forth. He (the Prophet) struck his thigh or his shoulder with his hand and said: This is as true as you are here or as you are sitting (meaning Mu'adh ibn Jabal).  (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, Battles (Kitab Al-Malahim), Book 37, Number 4281)"

Allah Almighty told the Muslims that they will fight the evil people of Gog and Magog during the End of Times:

"Until the Gog and Magog (people) Are let through (their barrier), And they swiftly swarm From every hill.   Then will the True Promise Draw nigh (of fulfilment): Then behold! the eyes Of the Unbelievers will Fixedly stare in horror: 'Ah! Woe to us! we were indeed Heedless of this; nay; we Truly did wrong!'  (The Noble Quran, 21:96-97)"

The People of Gog and Magog will be the Polytheists from the idol worshipers and the Trinitarian Christians, and the evil people from the People of Israel (i.e., the Zionists today) as clearly mentioned in the related articles below.

Are Muslims the "Chosen People" of GOD?  If not, then who are?

Isaac and Ishmael in Islam and Christianity.

Moses, Jesus and several other Prophets in the Bible never liked the Jews.  How can the Jews be considered GOD's "Chosen People" then?

GOD in the Bible will take His Kingdom from the Jews and give it to another Nation.

Was Hitler's Holocaust against the Jews prophesied in Islam?

The "lost tribes of Israel" are the Muslims of Afghanistan and Kashmir -- Proved from the Bible and History -- Afghan and Kashmiri cities mentioned and documented.

The End of Times Battles in Islam.

The story of Gog and Magog and the Iron Gates in the Noble Quran.

The Signs of Armageddon (The End of Times Battles) in Islam.

The future of Jerusalem in the Noble Quran - Examination of the end of times prophecies in the Bible and the Noble Quran.

What is the Status of Jerusalem in the Noble Quran?

Does the Noble Quran in 17:104 say that the Jews will prevail in the State of Israel until the Day of Judgement? 

The corruptions and infidel dictatorships in the Muslim world today were prophesized by Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.

Prophet Muhammad predicted the coming of the "dictators" and bad leaders.

How do you respond to the End of Times Prophecies in the Books of Psalms and Ezekiel against the Muslims of today in the Bible?   See my response to this Christian misunderstanding.

I was told that what's happening in the Middle East today was all foretold in the Bible.  How do you respond to that?

What do you think is the ideal solution for the situation in Israel and Palestine?

Muhammad isn't the "Beast" in Revelation 13! It's the satanic Western (mostly Christians) sexually open societies!

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As for Osama's idiocy regarding the shape of the earth, this is a dumb argument since the 4 corners of the earth means from all sides of the earth and has nothing to do with the shape of the earth. Since he claims that the size of the earth proves that the Bible is false, he must reject the Quran. Osama may claim that S. 31:29 and 39:5 indicate that the earth is spherical, a fact not known until over 400 years ago. What Osama forgets to mention is that both the Quran and early Muslim sources actually claim that the earth is flat!:

So since the Quran says that the earth was spread out like a carpet, we must ask Osama:

At first these verses would simply seem to be allegorical statements, not to be taken literally. Yet, upon reading the works of the earliest Muslim commentators, it becomes quite evident that Muhammad believed in a flat earth! Al-Jalalan, one of Islam's premiere commentators, in his Tafsir, p. 509, states:

Al-Tabari cites the following tradition on the authority of Wahb:

Wahb's claim that there are seven earths completely agrees with both the statement from al-Kisa'i, Tales of the Prophets-Qisas al-anbiya found above as well as with the following Quranic verse:

Al Baidawi comments:

In the book, Behind The Veil: Unmasking Islam, we are told:

As the preceding citation stated, there have been several modern Saudian Muslim authorities frankly admitting that the Quran does indeed teach a flat earth. The following article is taken from Athar Shiraz Siddiqui's article The Earth According to Quran:

My response:

Quennel, the Bible clearly and irrefutably declares that the earth is flat and is standing on pillars so that it wouldn't shake.  The Noble Quran on the other hand declares that the earth is "egg-shaped"!  The Noble Verses above that you mentioned were talking about how Allah Almighty spread out and stretched out earth to make it livable for us.  The "Carpet" thing that you mentioned is between parenthesis "( )", which clearly proves that it is not in the original Arabic text! 

Minister Abdullah Yusuf Ali decided to use the word "carpet" to describe the stretching of the earth, because the earth is as flat as a carpet to us (except for the mountains and hills), while it is also miraculously "egg-shaped" as the Noble Quran irrefutably declares:

Please visit: Allah Almighty said that the earth is "egg-shaped".

The Earth is round according to Islam.

The Bible says: The earth is flat!   The Bible claims that the Earth is flat and never moves, and is standing on pillars so that it wouldn't shake!  It also claims that the Sun hurries back to where it rises!

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Osama continues:

Really? If we believe your misinterpretations yeah right? However you have just proven that your own pagan prophet Muhammad copied from a big hoax. Read Rev. 13:11-2:

Here we see information about the Beast of the Earth. Now did the Quran copy this from a so-called big hoax? Yes:

Therefore using Osama's logic we must conclude that the Quran is a big hoax too!!!

My response:

I never used the argument of the "Beast" as something that would disprove the book of Revelation.  I reject the book of Revelation because it is filled with corruptions as I showed above, and it is rejected by many Christian theologians as I also clearly showed above.

In regards to the beast in the Noble Quran, it doesn't mean a dragon.  Let us look at what Allah Almighty said about the beast:

"For the worst of beasts in the sight of God are the deaf and the dumb,- those who understand not.  (The Noble Quran, 8:22)"

"For the worst of beasts in the sight of God are those who reject Him: They will not believe.  (The Noble Quran, 8:55)"

"And when the Word is fulfilled against them (the unjust), we shall produce from the earth a beast to (face) them: He will speak to them, for that mankind did not believe with assurance in Our Signs.  (The Noble Quran, 27:82)"  This beast could either be Jesus peace be upon him or the Mahdi, who will come before Prophet Jesus peace be upon him to fight the evil doers and kick the hypocrites from the Holy Lands of Mecca and Medina.

I personally believe that the beast in Noble Verse 27:82 is Prophet Jesus peace be upon him, because he will come and fight the army of satan.   Obviously, Jesus will be very powerful; perhaps the most powerful human on earth in that time, because he will have the ability to defeat all evil on earth, which is something really miraculous.  So calling him "the beast" who will speak to the disbelievers would be appropriate.

"Soon shall We brand (the beast) on the snout!  (The Noble Quran, 68:16)"

"When the wild beasts are herded together (in the human habitations);  (The Noble Quran, 81:5)"

The use of the word "beast" by Allah Almighty doesn't always mean that it is referring to evil people.  It could be also used for people (good and bad) in general:

"He created the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; He set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you; and He scattered through it beasts of all kinds. We send down rain from the sky, and produce on the earth every kind of noble creature, in pairs.  (The Noble Quran, 31:10)"

Notice here how Allah Almighty said "noble creature" when referring to the beasts (including the humans).

Please visit: Muhammad isn't the "Beast" in Revelation 13! It's the satanic Western (mostly Christians) sexually open societies!

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Exposing Osama's intentional slander of the Old Testament

Actually the NIV doesn't say what Osama claims. It only says that there were later adulterations. We know from Joshua and parts of Exodus that the prophet Joshua did add things to the book of the Law as God instructed him. Since the majority of scholarship knows this we wonder why is this such a problem for Osama? If he wants to prove his idea of Bible corruption then it is his job to show explicit proof that foreign hands tampered the Bible. The tampering that Osama misunderstands is the update of words and names of various places in order to help the later Hebrew reader understand Genesis better:

Therefore the only change was to make the older names more common to the Israelites of the day, so that they wouldn't forget where these events took place. Read what the NIV says about Genesis:

Now read what the NIV Study Bible says about Genesis:

This is absolutely unbelievable!!! The NIV Study Bible, which Osama appeals to, says that Genesis along with the entire Bible, despite who wrote it, was influenced by the superintendence of YHWH God himself. The NIV is clearly affirming that ALL the Bible is God-breathed!!! We have again refuted Osama's misunderstanding and misquoting of Genesis.

My response:

Here is the quote again:

"Historically, Jews and Christians alike have held that Moses was the author/compiler of the first five books of the OT. These books, known also as the Pentateuch (meaning "five-volumed book"), were referred to in Jewish tradition as the five fifths of the law (of Moses). The Bible itself suggests Mosaic authorship of Genesis, since Ac 15:1 refers to circumcision as "the custom taught by Moses," an allusion of Ge 17. However, a certain amount of later editorial updating does appear to be indicated (see, e.g., notes on 14:14; 36:31; 47:11).   (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 2)"

Quennel Gale is twisting the obvious.  All I did was raise a concern about the so-called "editorial updates".  Did GOD Almighty need editorial updates to His Perfect Holy Words?

Also Quennel, I would like for you to answer this quote:

"Once mankind began to study the Old Testament in detail, comparing the various passages which referred to the same topic in order to obtain as much detail as possible, they began to notice conflicting accounts of many matters as well as other problems. For instance, in the eleventh century, it was noticed that the list of Edomite kings in Genesis 36 names kings who lived long after Moses was dead Then people began to notice such statements as "to this day" something is true, which implies that the author was looking back at these matters through history and has seen that they have endured."

(www.answering-christianity.com/sake12.htm)

How can you with all honesty and integrity declare that the book of Gensis is the Perfect Holy Word of GOD Almighty?

The different "Canons" of the Bible!

Different and conflicting variations of "gospels" and "books" that are disagreed upon by the Churches today.

101 Contradictions in the Bible!

He wrote:

Regarding additions by later scribes or editors, we have already addressed this above. We explained that the Bible needed updating for later generations, and that inspired men such as Joshua were instructed by God to add to Moses’ Law. The NIV still attributes authorship to Moses:

By misquoting his sources, Osama tries to show that the Bible is corrupted. Now see what the NIV Study Bible says about Numbers:

According to the NIV, authorship has no bearing on how the accuracy of Numbers in portraying Israel's relationship with God. If it did, we would have expected them to make mention of it or called into question its historical veracity.

My response:

You have absolutely no proof that Joshua was the one who made the additions to any of Moses' Books after him.  And even if Joshua did the changing, was he inspired by GOD Almighty?  How do you know that?  He never made any such claim or declared that he received any Revelations from GOD Almighty.

He wrote:

OSAMA'S FALLACY: IF THE BOOK WASN'T WRITTEN BY THE ORIGINAL AUTHOR ONLY IT'S NOT GOD'S WORD.

If you notice throughout his paper, Osama has established a logically flawed argument since he believes that if the author doesn't give his name or if it isn't written by the author it isn't the word of God. However, Osama has nothing to base this conclusion on since he is using his opinion as a final standard to build his argument. Therefore, since he has no biblical reference to prove his point, his whole argument is based on "MY OWN OPINION".

My response:

Quennel, any normal human being with an atom of a brain would clearly understand and accept my simple and straight forward logic.  It's sad that you can't even reach this level.  If Moses wasn't the sole person who wrote the book of Deuteronomy, then who else wrote it?  And how do you know that that other person was GOD Almighty's Messenger/Prophet?

After all, Jeremiah 8:8 clearly exposed the lies and corruption entered by scribes and "editorial updates" that have corrupted the original Holy Book:

"How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.  (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

Quennel, I would like for you to answer the following quote:

"After this, it was noticed that in the beginning verses of the OT manuscripts, Deuteronomy says: "These are the words that Moses spoke to the children of Israel across the Jordan...." They noticed that the words "across the Jordan" refers to people who are on the opposite side of the Jordan river to the author. But the alleged author, Moses himself, was never supposed to have been in Israel in his life.

It was also noticed that Moses speaks in detail in Deuteronomy 34:5-10 about how he died and where he was buried. Moses also calls himself the most humble man on earth in Numbers 12:3 (would the most humble man on earth call himself the most humble man on earth?). In Deuteronomy 34:10 we read "And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses." This also implies that the author was looking back at Moses through history a long time after Moses' death. Now the flood gates were opened and countless other discrepancies began to show up."

(www.answering-christianity.com/sake12.htm)

I ask you again, how can you with all honesty and integrity declare that the book of Deuteronomy is the Perfect Holy Word of GOD Almighty?

He wrote:

We have asked Osama over and over again to show us where it is an explicit rule that all the authors of the names of the book must sign their name. He has yet to produce this proof.

My response:

Only a brainless and goofy person would ask for such a thing.

He wrote:

Since he believes that the Quran is the word of God, we ask him to prove to us that God personally revealed ALL THE VERSES AND SURAHS IN THE QURAN. Since neither the Hadith nor the earliest Muslim records claim that ALL OF THE 114 SURAHS OR THE VERSES NOW FOUND IN IT ARE FROM ALLAH we are forced to conclude that the Quran is not entirely the word of can't be the word of God (which in fact it isn’t!!!)

My response:

Beside the numerous Noble Verses that declare that the Noble Quran was from Allah Almighty, I will post for you the following Noble Verses:

"We have, without doubt, sent down the Message [The Noble Quran]; and We will assuredly Guard it (from corruption).  (The Noble Quran, 15:9)"

"Do they not consider the Quran (with care)? Had it been from other Than God, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.  (The Noble Quran, 4:82)"

"Say: "What thing is most weighty in evidence?" Say: "God is witness between me and you; This Quran hath been revealed to me by inspiration, that I may warn you and all whom it reaches. Can ye possibly bear witness that besides God there is another God?" Say: "Nay! I cannot bear witness!" Say: "But in truth He is the one God, and I truly am innocent of (your blasphemy of) joining others with Him."  (The Noble Quran, 6:19)"

Need we say more Quennel?  To you, we always have to say more because it is impossible for you to comprehend the Truth, but to the reader, I think this is sufficient enough.

He wrote:

However, the NIV does say that Moses wrote the majority of the Pentateuch. The rest of it were written by his followers who were eyewitnesses to his life. Now since Osama believes that the Quran is the word of God and the Bible was tampered with he only ends up falsifying the Quranic witness to the Bible:

Sura 7:156-157:

"And I will write down (my mercy) for those who are righteous and give alms and who believe in our signs; who follow the apostle, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in the Torah and the Gospel THAT IS WITH THEM.

If these verses are correct then the Torah and Gospel which were available to Muhammad in AD. 600 were the Word of God, even though this would have been the same Torah which the NIV says contains later additions!!! Hence, if Osama is correct in rejecting the Torah then the Quran is wrong for confirming it!!!

Sura 53:36:

"Nay is he not acquainted with what IS IN THE BOOKS OF MOSES."

Sura 5:46:

"But why do they (the Jews) come to thee for decision, when they have the Torah in which IS the command of God."

Sura 5:50:

"And let the People of the Gospel judge by what God has revealed in it. If any fail to judge by what God has revealed, they are licentious."

Sura 5:71:

"Say, O People of the Book! You are not (founded) on anything UNTIL you PERFORM the TORAH and the GOSPEL, and what was revealed to you from your Lord."

Sura 3:93-94:

"All food was lawful to the children of Israel except what Israel made unlawful for itself before the Torah was revealed. Say, `BRING the TORAH and READ it, if you are men of truth.' If any, after this, invent a lie and attribute it to God, they are indeed transgressors."

Sura. 28:48-49:

"But when the truth has come to them from Us, they say: `why is he not given the like of what was given to Moses?' Did they not disbelieve in that which was given to Moses before? They say: `Two kinds of magic (the Torah and the Quran) each helping the other!' And they say: `Verily! In both we are disbelievers.' Say (to them, O Muhammad): `Then bring a Book from Allah, which is a better guide than these TWO (the Torah and the Quran), that I may follow it, if you are truthful.'"

Notice how Muhammad is commanded to defend both the Quran and the Torah of Moses that was available to him as guidance from God. No mention of textual corruption whatsoever. So was Muhammad ignorant of these facts? Or did the Quran consider these to be the word of God? The answer is the latter due to the fact that Moses lived long before the advent of Islam. Therefore Osama is either wrong or the Quran is wrong.

Sura 32:23:

"We did indeed aforetime give the Book to Moses: Be not then in doubt of its REACHING (THEE): And we made it a guide to the Children of Israel."

These verses clearly show that an uncorrupted Torah and Gospel existed which both Jews and Christians were commanded to study and adhere to. The only Torah the Jews have ever known, and Gospel that Christians have possessed are that which make up the five books of Moses and the four gospel accounts* found in our modern Bibles today. These Quranic verses sufficiently expose Osama!!!

My response:

You (I believe accidentally) have misquoted Noble Verses 7:156-157.  Here is what the Noble Verses say:

""And ordain for us that which is good, in this life and in the Hereafter: for we have turned unto Thee." He said: "With My punishment I visit whom I will; but My mercy extendeth to all things. That (mercy) I shall ordain for those who do right, and practise regular charity, and those who believe in Our signs;-  (The Noble Quran, 7:156)"

""Those who follow the apostle, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper."  (The Noble Quran, 7:157)"

To find out what Biblical verses predict the coming of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, please visit:  Muhammad was foretold by the name in the Bible's Old and New Testaments.

We Muslims never declared that the entire Bible is not from GOD Almighty.  We declare that the Bible is mixed between GOD Almighty's Holy Words and man's alterations and innovations, which makes the entire Bible corrupt/doubtful.  The Noble Quran makes a clear mention about this.  Allah Almighty clearly declared this:

"Know they not Allah Knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal? And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book (i.e., the Bible), but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture.  Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' To traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.   (The Noble Quran, 2:77-79)"

"O Apostle! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, 'If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!' If any one's trial is intended by God, thou hast no authority in the least for him against God. For such - it is not God's will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment.  (The Noble Quran, 5:41)"

Narrated Ubaidullah:  "Ibn 'Abbas said, "Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!"  (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)"

Please visit: What parts of the Bible and Hadiths do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth? and Why?

He wrote:

Another misinterpretation and misquotation. The NIV says that THEY ARE UNSURE OF WHO THE FINAL EDITOR WAS. However, it says nothing about the author being unknown!! Osama doesn't even know how to differentiate an editor from an author!! The author writes the book, the editor makes sure everything written is in its proper place. Read this important quote by the NIV commentary:

Once again our point is established since the NIV DOES SAY THAT Joshua was the author of this book.

If Osama's logic were true that the person himself must write the entire biblical book bearing his name for it to be credible, then we must call into question every journal, article and/or book that have been edited by individuals other than the author!! That means all of history would be incorrect, even Islamic history, which has many historical journals on the life of Muhammad that have undergone editing.

Let us again quote those parts of the NIV Study Bible which Osama didn't want his readers to see:

According to the NIV Study Bible, Joshua details the fulfillment of God’s promises to his people, the Israelites. No mention of corruption whatsoever.

Contrary to Osama's misquoting:

The NIV says that there are many problems in using this thinking due to the fact that Joshua's reporting was precise and accurate. If Joshua was indeed late than we would expect to see Tyre mentioned. This would in fact prove Osama's assertions. However:

Not only does this destroy Osama's fallacious assertions but also proves our point that books such as Judges and Genesis had to be updated for the people since these books contained place names of an earlier period which would have otherwise not been known to a later generation. Today, that would be the equivalent of improving Shakespeare for people of modern English to understand since the majority of English speaking people no longer comprehend Old English.

My response:

Again, reread the quote again:

"It seems safe to conclude that the book, at least in its early form, dates from the beginning of the monarchy. Some think that Samuel may have had a hand in shaping or compiling the materials of the book, but in fact we are unsure who the final author or editor was.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 286)"

They are unsure who the final AUTHOR was.  What is wrong with this quote Quennel?   Where am I being wrong?  Let alone being a "liar"?!

Even Jeremiah 8:8 recognizes the forgery of the additions and tampering with the original Bible:

"How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.   (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

Need we say more Quennel?

He wrote:

Again Osama puts words into the NIV's mouth. This falls under the previous fallacy, if the authorship was uncertain the book is therefore false. This also falls under the fallacy of unprovability since the book can both be true and the author unknown. If Osama is correct, then every book whose author is unknown must be false. Again, an for the umpteenth time, notice how Osama intentionally misquotes his sources:

The NIV says that Samuel could have assembled the material which was already known and composed it for our learning. If Osama disagrees with this then he must reject the entire Sahih Hadith of Islam, which was composed the exact same way.

Since he reiterated over and over again how we should only use the Hadiths, we find it strange that he applies a double standard with Judges. The NIV, in discussing the contents of the Book which deals with the consistent failure of the Jews to live up to the covenant commands and God’s deliverance, writes:

The Quran mentions many times how the Israelites fled from God. Where did it get most of its information? From the book of Judges of course!! This book is the only one in the Bible that covers Israel’s depravity explicitly and in greater detail than any other one. So again we must conclude that the Quran is false for utilizing this information.

My response:

How are your quote and comments supposed to prove that the book of Judges was a Revelation from GOD Almighty?  You yourself did not even establish this conclusion.   So how am I being a liar here Quennel?

Also, the quotes I wrote down from the NIV Bible are pretty much self explanatory:

"Although, according to tradition, Samuel wrote the book, authorship is actually uncertain."

"The date of the composition is also unknown, but it was undoubtedly during the monarchy."

(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322).

As to the "Sahih" Hadiths:

First of all, not a single Muslim on earth would claim that they are the Revelations of GOD Almighty. 

Second, the Hadiths (Sayings of Prophet Muhammad) are simply narrations of Prophet Muhammd's Sayings.  They are not Noble Quran. 

Third, not every Hadith is a "strong Hadith".  Many Hadiths are marked as "weak", because their chain of narrations are either broken (missing periods between narrators had been noticed), or the people who narrated them are not trustful.

A note to the reader:  You comparing the Bible to the Hadiths and not to the Noble Quran clearly proves that deep inside yourself you very well know that the Bible of today is corrupted.  Again, visit: What parts of the Bible and Hadiths do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth? and Why?

He wrote:

This has no effect on Ruth since this book is a biography and therefore doesn't have to be written by the author. Read the NIV commentary as to how God's message is revealed in Ruth:

According to the NIV Ruth portrays a very important message of God himself. Since Osama is obviously arguing under a fallacy, he is too dull to realize that a biography of Ruth's life doesn't constitute proof that it is an erroneous book. Read how the NIV Study Bible extols Ruth's literary quality:

According to the NIV Study Bible, the supposed corrupted book of Ruth is a literary jewel as well as a historical narrative in scripture!! Why would the NIV say this if it claimed that the book was corrupted? This would be highly illogical. This shows us again that Osama does nothing more than misquote.

My response:

You have yet to prove that the book of Ruth was an actual Revelation from GOD Almighty.   You have also yet to prove that the book of Ruth was written by Ruth.  Any ordinary person could've written that book.  That person would not have had to be a Prophet or a Messenger.  This means Quennel, that your Bible is not ALL from GOD Almighty since you seem to agree with me that AT LEAST the book of Ruth is not really from GOD Almighty.

Where would this leave the PERFECTION and purity of the Bible (that it is all 100% revealed from GOD Almighty)?  In the dumpster?  I'll let you answer this one.

He wrote:

Samuel again is the biography of the life of the prophet. Notice that Samuel was busy doing God's work and since the Jews had many scribes they wrote down his work for us to cherish. In fact, without Samuel we wouldn't even have King David, which the Quran mentions over and over again. Therefore, since the Quran derives its information on David and others from sources that are dependant on books such as Samuel (since apart from these records next to nothing would be known about David) it too is corrupt and unreliable!

My response:

Again, you have yet to prove that the books of Samuel were actual Revelations from GOD Almighty.  You have also yet to prove that the books of Samuel were written by Samuel himself!  Any ordinary person could've written these books.  That person would not have had to be a Prophet or a Messenger.  This means Quennel, that your Bible is not ALL from GOD Almighty since you seem to agree with me that AT LEAST the book of Ruth and the books of Samuel are not really from GOD Almighty.

Again, where would this leave the PERFECTION and purity of the Bible (that it is all 100% revealed from GOD Almighty)?  In the dumpster?  I'll let you answer this one.

He wrote:

His argument of I and II Kings falls under the same category. There's no need to repeat this.

The NIV doesn't say that the book was doubtful because the author wasn't possibly Ezra. Read what it says:

The NIV attributes Ezra's words and the books of Chronicles to the inspiration of God. Therefore, Osama's theory about the unknown author means nothing as far as inspiration is concerned. Since God inspired all of the Holy Bible, why should it matter if names were mentioned or not? What makes this even worse is that even when a book does mention the author’s name Osama still finds reasons to reject it, such as his rejection of Paul for allegedly inventing new doctrine. Either way, his arguments are simply bogus. Here is more information on Chronicles:

The NIV Study Bible argues that Ezra came from the time of Ezra, and if he didn’t write it then a close eyewitness wrote it.

My response:

Notice how Quennel jumped from the Old Testament to Paul in the New Testament.   What Quennel fails to understand is that there is no one Holy Book called "The Bible"!  The word "Bible" itself does not even exist in the Bible!!   So therefore Quennel, you can't say "the entire Bible was inspired by God", because you have absolutely no proof for that!

In fact, when one examines closely the history of every book and gospel in the Bible, he will immediately see the overwhelming doubts and man's innovations and corruptions inserted into this corrupted book, the Bible. 

No truthful and knowledable person would take the Bible as a whole.  The Bible must be looked at and considered as a bunch of historical books put together.  They consist of many Jewish customs and man's words.  Again, it is ironic that Jeremiah 8:8 in the Bible itself agrees with this fact:

"How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.  (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

He wrote:

More of Osama's faulty logic, read this on Esther:

Esther's material was recorded as they took place, being a biography not an autobiography. Esther obviously wouldn't write this book due to the fact that she was Queen and her position in the Kingdom precluded her from being a scribe. The scribes and historians wrote books in ancient Persia. Do we find US presidents writing their own books? NO. Are we able to read accurate information on their lives by others such as historians and/or biographers? Yes.

My response:

Again Quennel, how are your words here supposed to prove that the book of Esther is the Holy Revelation of GOD Almighty?!  Your biblical standards are obviously very very low.  You take junk and attribute it to GOD Almighty for a misarable price:

"Know they not Allah Knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal? And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book (i.e., the Bible), but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture.  Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' To traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.   (The Noble Quran, 2:77-79)"

"O Apostle! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, 'If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!' If any one's trial is intended by God, thou hast no authority in the least for him against God. For such - it is not God's will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment.  (The Noble Quran, 5:41)"

I feel sorry for your soul Quennel.

He wrote:

Here is more on Esther:

The NIV says nothing about Esther being corrupted but actually extols it for being a book to look to when wanting to read about God working in the little things of our life. Here the NIV Study Bible concurs by saying:

Again Osama's nonsense is thoroughly refuted. Esther is a true historical narrative of how God worked through a Jewish woman to deliver his people.

My response:

"Osama's nonsense"?!  The only nonsense here is you and your corrupted Bible Quennel.  These same clowns of the NIV Bible committee did not prove anything about the book of Esther being the Holy Revelations of GOD Almighty.  They themselves wrote:

"Although we do not know who wrote the book of Esther, from internal evidence it is possible to make some inferences about the author and the date of composition. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 707)"

Need we say more?  To a brainless person such as yourself we always do, but to the reader, I think this is sufficient enough.

He wrote:

Notice the NIV quote says that JOB is mostly:

Osama ignores this part and then claims that since Job wasn't the author that this book is corrupted or it isn't God's word. Osama conveniently failed to present the following info to his readers:

While Osama said that it was pathetic to consider books such as Job the word of God, the NIV, which he claims support his arguments, states that this book was written

My response:

Oh my GOD, really??!!  And what is that information that only GOD Almighty knew?!   Care to elaborate more on this so we can examin it with intellegence?  Not every person is like you Quennel.  Not everyone is stupid enough to take things blindly.  People do have brains and they have the divine right to use them.   This is something your corrupted bible had deprived you from using.

He wrote:

With this being said, and the NIV Study Bible exposing Osama, we also note that:

So we see that Job was a biography and not a autobiography, the NIV concurs with this by saying:

Based on the NIV, the reason why Job wasn't the author is because this book is a divinely inspired biography of him!!

My response:

How do the clowns of the NIV Bible committee know that the book of Job was divinely inspired when they themselves don't even know who wrote the book??!!

My dear GOD, what kind of stupidity are we dealing with here??!!

He wrote:

Osama is hilarious when he tries to impose his silly logic on the Bible.

My response:

Silly logic?  The only silly thing here is you and your silly bible for not being serious and respectful to your Creator.  You attribute garbage to GOD Almighty, and yet, you call me silly?

He wrote:

Every book isn't an autobiography in the Bible. We can apply this same logic to the Quran, which has Surah's named after people who didn't write them:

My response:

You have obviously reached your desperate point to switch topics to the Noble Quran.   The naming of the Noble Chapters in the Noble Quran was determined by Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, because the Names were inspired by GOD Almighty to him.   The names represent the main event(s) that each Noble Chapter is talking about.

How does this have anything to do with the obvious and irrifutable corruptions in your "silly" bible?

He wrote:

So who were the real authors of these books? Did the ants write? Did the Elephant write a Surah? Last I checked, Joseph, Mary, Abraham, etc., were dead before the Quran was given. We see that at least 11 Surahs in the Quran were named after people who didn't write them!! So these Surahs cannot be the word of God if Osama's logic is correct!!! However, Osama clearly takes them as biographies of these individuals. We wonder why then does he use a double standard?

My response:

Again, you have obviously reached your most desperate point, because you are now babeling and shifting the subject to the Noble Quran with stupid comments that any ordinary Muslim would laugh at when he/she hears it.  Again, the naming of the Noble Chapters in the Noble Quran was determined by Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, because the Names were inspired by GOD Almighty to him.  The names represent the main event(s) that each Noble Chapter is talking about.

Again, how does this have anything to do with the obvious and irrifutable corruptions in your "silly" bible?

He wrote:

The NIV not only calls Job a biography but it says nothing the book being corrupted or lost.

My response:

They have presented the historical facts that clearly proved that the books were written by mysterious people.  How can any truthful person consider such junk as GOD Almighty's Holy Words?

He wrote:

In essence the NIV has no problem that the human author was unknown since they believe that these books were given BY DIVINE INSPIRATION NO MATTER WHO THE AUTHOR WAS!!!

My response:

They have yet to find the original author of these books to then determine whether these books were divinely inspired or not.  Any clown such as yourself could've written these books.  Is that clown a Prophet/Messenger from GOD Almighty?  Are you Quennel a Prophet/Messenger from GOD Almighty?

With a stupid person such as yourself, it would'nt suprise me if you in the future claim that you're the Messiah.

He wrote:

That is a fair question so we will let the NIV answer it for us:

My response:

Before I let you continue, I just have to say that it is very funny and odd that you now think of this question as a fair one.  All of my other questions were the same exact thing as this one!  Why is it different now?

He wrote:

The NIV tells us who the other authors were. Osama intentionally ignored this in order to push his view that if the person in question didn't write the book or if the authors are unknown then it can't from God. As for the Book of Proverbs being the word of God, we let the NIV Living Insight Bible answer this:

Hence, question answered completely by the NIV.

My response:

First of all, how do they know that Agur son of Jakeh and King Lemuel were the co-authors?  Second of all, they said that since this wisdom is "kind of peerless wisdom", then it is from GOD Almighty.  Well, since the other two co-authors wrote the rest of the book of Proverbs according to the NIV Bible committee, then it is obvious that others beside King Solomon were able to come up with a "peerless wisdom".  So this peerless conclusion is really no more than peerless stupidity!

Also Quennel, if the book of Proverbs was truly inspired by GOD Almighty (which ironically the NIV Bible committee agree that it wasn't all revealed, which clearly refutes the "Bible is 100% faultless" nonsense), then GOD Almighty would not let clowns like Agur and Lemuel tamper with His Holy Words.

But then again, why should I expect these high Islamic standards from brainless clowns such as yourself?

He wrote:

Notice that Osama takes weaker evidence over stronger evidence. The NIV has passages which strongly suggest that Solomon is the writer.

My response:

Quennel, how come you didn't consider this question to be a fair one also?  Is it because you have no answer (even if it was a very stupid one like your previous one) for it?

And as far as taking weaker evidence over a stronger one, I did not do that.  All I did was raise a very fair and simple question that is too difficult for satanic decievers like to you answer.

Your whole bible is confusing Quennel.  Is GOD Almighty a GOD of confusion?   I'll let you answer this one.

He wrote:

Osama, however, appeals to probable evidence which claims that it may point to another author. This tells us that Osama is only interested in using evidence, which in some cases are unprovable, to promote Bible corruption.

Lets allow the NIV to address this for us again:

Ouch!! The NIV says that this book is GOD'S ACCURATE RECORD OF HUMAN ARGUMENTS. This means that according to the NIV the other author was God himself!!! Another bogus argument of Osama, refuted by the NIV!!!

My response:

And what gives these clowns the right to say "God's accurate record of human arguments", when they themselves don't even know who wrote the book to begin with?!

You are victim of your Bible Quennel.  The Bible truly breeds stupidity and blindness.  I feel sorry for you.

He wrote:

Really? Show proof of this if you are truthful. But before you do that, let me remind you that I attended a Roman Catholic High School and received straight A's in Hebrew Scriptures. The Roman Catholic Bible was canonized late in the Middle Ages and many of the material in it isn't even considered to be the word of God by Catholic themselves.

My response:

The different "Canons" of the Bible!

Different and conflicting variations of "gospels" and "books" that are disagreed upon by the Churches today.

101 Contradictions in the Bible!

Hahaha.  If I remember correctly, the New Jerusalem Bible had either 22 or 30+ chapters.  Something like that, while the NIV Bible has only 12 chapters.  I am certain that you yourself know this very well, but because you are a deciever and a joker who is only looking to win arguments (even if it's through stupidity and deceptions) and not learn the Truth, you rely on picking silly things like this (like me not including the same exact number of chapters) to desperately attempt to fool the reader and make it look like that my argument is baseless and weak.

I got bad news for you Quennel.  I will look up the exact number of chapters in the New Jerusalem Bible and I will post it and expose you.

And by the way, this corrupted book claims that the Sun hurries back to where it rises:

"The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises.  (From the NIV Bible, Ecclesiastes 1:5)"

Since when the Sun hurries back to where it rises, like if there is some hole it rises from and another hole it sets through on Earth?!

For those Jews and Christians who would like to see where in the Noble Quran does Allah Almighty say that the planets in space rotate and move, read the following Noble Verse:

"It is He who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, all (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its orbit with its own motion.  (The Noble Quran, 21:33)"

For more information and other Noble Verses, please visit:

Science in the Noble Quran and Islam.

The Earth is round according to Islam.

Also visit The Earth is flat according to the Bible.

He wrote:

Again hasty generalization and notice the presupposition. Since one Bible disagrees, all of them must be wrong according to Osama. Maybe we should inform him that the Hebrew Bible was canonized before the start of Roman Catholicism which began in the mid 300s AD. Therefore, your stance is tremendously flawed. As for this verse, this doesn't matter to us since it isn't originally part of the Jewish canon of the Old Testament.

My response:

Notice Chapter 22 in the New Jerusalem Bible.  The NIV only has 12.  Yet, this clown asks me to prove that the New Jerusalem Bible has different quantity of chapters in this corrupted book than the NIV Bible.  Well, this is a proof by itself.

Also Quennel, are you telling us here that Ecclesiasticus 22:3 is not from GOD Almighty?  Are you telling us here that it is ok to have bibles with different number of chapters in their books?  How are we to know which is truthful and which isn't?

As to the New Jerusalem Bible's book of Ecclesiasticus, I am certain that the followers of this Bible will totally disagree with you that its chapters are not all from GOD Almighty.  Of course to me, non of this trash is from GOD Almighty, but to them, I am sure they are ready to refute you.

In either case, the reader here clearly see the obvious corruption in the Bible.

He wrote:

Osama totally ignores what his quote says:

The NIV says that Solomon was the author and then it states whether if he was the only author.

My response:

No you liar that's not what the quote says.  It says that it appears that Solomon was the author, but the reality of this remains an open question.  It doesn't talk about him being a sole author, or if there is a co-author.

Also, you seem to have no problem with having clowns such as yourself being co-authors in your garbage bible, do you?  You have no problem in having trash mixed with the Holy Words of GOD Almighty Quennel, do you?

He wrote:

So Osama is appealing to improbability. That's not good enough.

My response:

You're a joker man.

He wrote:

Osama also has an obsession with calling Song of Songs a pornful book. However, what he fails to address is how can sex between a husband and wife be considered pornography? So, in other words, all human sexuality is pornography according to Osama. Here are some responses to Osama by people on my discussion board:

He responds by saying-No, but I do have a problem with you Song of Songs Gospel crap.

My response:

This is addressed in great details in my article at: X-Rated Pornography in the Bible.  But to briefly answer Quennel, here is my answer:

"A quick answer to the Christian folks who claim that the "Song of Songs" book in the Bible is talking about a husband and a wife:  As you will see below in the article, the book is not talking about a husband and a wife.  It's talking about two lovers.  But even if it was talking about a husband and a wife, then wouldn't you agree with me that exposing your wife's privates to the world is pornography by itself?"

(www.answering-christianity.com/x_rated.htm)

Let us look at few pornful verses from this hardcore pornography book:

Comparing the sister's breasts to the size of the towers:   Let us look at the following verses:   "We have a young sister, and her breasts are not yet grown. What shall we do for our sister for the day she is spoken for?  (Song of Songs 8:8)"  and later about the sister....."I am a wall, and my breasts are like towers. Thus I have become in his eyes like one bringing contentment.  (Song of Songs 8:10)" 

Let us look at Song of Songs 4:5 "Your two breasts are like two fawns, like twin fawns of a gazelle that browse among the lilies." 

Praising the bed that they had sex on:   Let us look at Song of Songs 1:16 "How handsome you are, my lover! Oh, how charming! And our bed is verdant"  

Having sex all night long: Let us look at Proverbs 7:18 "Come, let's drink deep of love till morning; let's enjoy ourselves with love!" 

His right arm sexually feeling her body:   Let us look at Song of Songs 2:6 "His left arm is under my head, and his right arm embraces me." 

Sleeping with his sister: Let us look at Song of Songs 5:4 "I slept but my heart was awake. Listen! My lover is knocking: 'Open to me, my sister, my darling, my dove, my flawless one. My head is drenched with dew, my hair with the dampness of the night.'  I have taken off my robe [showed off his groin in other words] must I put it on again? I have washed my feet, must I soil them again?  My lover thrust his hand through the latch-opening; my heart began to pound for him."  What a disgusting way for someone to talk so pervertly about his sister like that!!

Again, please visit www.answering-christianity.com/x_rated.htm for more details and proofs.

He wrote:

However what Osama fails to realize is that his stance on this issue is based on his opinion.

My response:

No opinions here.  Just pure facts!  I'll leave the opinions and man-made conclusions such as your polytheist pagan trinity to you and your people since the word "trinity" does not even exist in the Bible.

He wrote:

Notice that he doesn't give a reason as to why he has a problem with this and he couldn't even answer me correctly when I told him, "what is wrong with sex between a husband and a wife?" His only argument is that it shouldn't be stated. However, shouldn't a delicate thing such as human sexuality be expounded on? Apparently Osama thinks that God should leave everyone in the dark on this issue. Read what a lady said on Song of Song, on my discussion board:

This is coming from a woman!! She asks him what is wrong with human sexuality, since it is a gift from God? Osama responds by saying:

NOTICE THAT OSAMA IS ATTACKING NON-SEXUAL SEX, BUT SOLOMON IS SEX BETWEEN HUSBAND AND WIFE ONLY!!!

My response:

When one reads my X-Rated Pornography in the Bible article, and sees the above quotes that I quoted from the Song of Songs book and many more, he/she will immediately realize that it is not talking about sex (because sex is created from GOD Almighty), but rather putting on a show of pornography between two "lovers" and a "brother and a sister".

When her vagina taste like wine to him, and her breasts are as tall as a "tower", and she wished that he was her biological brother she wouldn't have to take him to her mother's home in secret (to do her all night long!!), then this become explicit and graphic pornography.

Otherwise Quennel, why do you condemn the pornography web sites on the internet?   Or do you really?

He wrote:

So again he fells to address the issue. Notice that none of his examples in his statement relates to married people but only to teenagers. Also, Osama doesn't provide any evidence that they based their sexual situations on Solomon. So basically Osama is attacking pornography and unmarried sex and baloming that on Song of Songs which is discussing sex BETWEEN A HUSBAND AND WIFE!! How stupid can you get!!

My response:

How stupid can I get?  You will eat those silly and nonsensical words of yours in the Day of Judgement when GOD Almighty pours His Wrath upon you and upon your pornography-loving brethrens.

He wrote:

Read this from Bible Sex Facts:

Unmarried sex is prohibited by the Bible, and just because people this has no bearing on the Bible. You have Muslims who don't even adhere to the Quran. Osama is one of them since he accuses Allah of lying by his constant attack the Holy Bible’s credibility, despite Allah saying that NONE OF HIS WORDS CAN BE CHANGED. This serves to show that Osama has become an apostate. Does the NIV consider "Song of Song's" Pornographic? No!!! Read:

According to the NIV Study Bible, which Osama uses, Song of Songs is inspired and it deals with the beauty of sexual love in a marriage!! We wonder why he didn't put this on his site??? Because he is a liar who misquotes books to create bogus arguments.

My response:

Again, I have addressed and exposed your pornography in great details in my article at: X-Rated Pornography in the Bible.

Again, if Song of Songs was indeed talking about a husband and a wife, then wouldn't you agree with me that exposing your wife's privates to the world is pornography by itself?

Let us look at few pornful verses from this hardcore pornography book:

Comparing the sister's breasts to the size of the towers:   Let us look at the following verses:   "We have a young sister, and her breasts are not yet grown. What shall we do for our sister for the day she is spoken for?  (Song of Songs 8:8)"  and later about the sister....."I am a wall, and my breasts are like towers. Thus I have become in his eyes like one bringing contentment.  (Song of Songs 8:10)" 

Let us look at Song of Songs 4:5 "Your two breasts are like two fawns, like twin fawns of a gazelle that browse among the lilies." 

Praising the bed that they had sex on:   Let us look at Song of Songs 1:16 "How handsome you are, my lover! Oh, how charming! And our bed is verdant"  

Having sex all night long: Let us look at Proverbs 7:18 "Come, let's drink deep of love till morning; let's enjoy ourselves with love!" 

His right arm sexually feeling her body:   Let us look at Song of Songs 2:6 "His left arm is under my head, and his right arm embraces me." 

Sleeping with his sister: Let us look at Song of Songs 5:4 "I slept but my heart was awake. Listen! My lover is knocking: 'Open to me, my sister, my darling, my dove, my flawless one. My head is drenched with dew, my hair with the dampness of the night.'  I have taken off my robe [showed off his groin in other words] must I put it on again? I have washed my feet, must I soil them again?  My lover thrust his hand through the latch-opening; my heart began to pound for him."  What a disgusting way for someone to talk so pervertly about his sister like that!!

Again, please visit www.answering-christianity.com/x_rated.htm for more details and proofs.

He wrote:

Even though Osama says that failure to identify the authors of the books is a crime against God, it is an interesting fact that he doesn't present a single Bible verse which claims that failing to do so is a crime. Does Osama think he speaks for God now? Hilarious.

My response:

No I don't speak for GOD Almighty; never have and never will.  I speak the Truth that was revealed by GOD Almighty in the Noble Quran and Islam.  You're obviously not here to learn.  You're here to act like a total loser and to write lengthy and nonsensical articles.

You can continue to live in your pathetic stupidity Quennel, but the reader knows well that you are a total joke.

He wrote:

As for this book being the word of God read what the NIV says.

My response:

Woe to you and to these clowns of yours for attributing trash to GOD Almighty.   Woe to you, for you have sold the Holiness of GOD Almighty's Words with a very cheap and miserable price:

"Know they not Allah Knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal? And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book (i.e., the Bible), but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture.  Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' To traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.   (The Noble Quran, 2:77-79)"

He wrote:

Not only does the NIV call this book the word of God, notice what it says about the authorship of the book:

Osama argued on his site one time that certain books of John weren't his books because they weren't his traditional style. However, this one is written in Jeremiah's style and he still makes accusations!! Read what the NIV Study Bible has to say about Lamentations:

The NIV Study Bible says that it is okay to assume that Jeremiah wrote this book and it even calls the judgment mentioned in this book divine!!! Why would it do so if it were a supposed corrupted book as Osama claims? It wouldn't. History has shown that that Jeremiah wrote this book, and there is no rule given which says that the author’s name must be placed on every book of his. If this were so then these particular surahs must also be rejected.

Hence, all of these books are corrupted and false based on Osama's own faulty logic!!

My response:

It is these same clowns that wrote:

"Although Lamentations is anonymous and we cannot be certain who wrote it, ancient Jewish and Christian tradition ascribes it to Jeremiah. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1207)"

They are not certain who wrote the book, but yet, they attribute it to Jeremiah.   No further comments.

As to the naming of the Noble Surahs (Chapters), like I said above:  You have obviously reached your desperate point to switch topics to the Noble Quran.  The naming of the Noble Chapters in the Noble Quran was determined by Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, because the Names were inspired by GOD Almighty to him.  The names represent the main event(s) that each Noble Chapter is talking about.

How does this have anything to do with the obvious and irrifutable corruptions in your "silly" bible?

He wrote:

Dealing with Matthew 9:9, Osama shows his blatant ignorance here. Regarding 3rd person usage see above. As for Moses and Joshua, why should be thought incredible that their followers wrote their obituaries. Joshua wrote Moses and Joshua's followers wrote his and we take it by faith that they were instructed by God to do so, period.

My response:

You meant to say "we take it by BLIND faith that they were instructed by God to do so, period."  I am glad you finally have admitted that, because from the evidence above, it is clear that these books were not written by the Prophets of GOD Almighty.  Your very own theologians are not certain of who wrote these books.

Also, none of these books claims to be from GOD Almighty.  Why do you assume they were from GOD Almighty? 

He wrote:

Osama goes on to appeal to heretical arguments such as Darwinism, views that happen to contradict the Quran as well!! Since this shows us just how desperate and flawed his arguments are we will finish our response by addressing this next argument:

My response:

Before you continue, where did I appeal to Darwinism?  You obviously have to lie to spread your lies.  By how else can lies be spread?

He wrote:

Apparently the Quran thinks so read:

My response:

Again, we Muslims believe that the current bible is not 100% the Pure Revelations of GOD Almighty.  We Muslims never declared that the entire Bible is not from GOD Almighty.  We declare that the Bible is mixed between GOD Almighty's Holy Words and man's alterations and innovations, which makes the entire Bible corrupt/doubtful.   The Noble Quran makes a clear mention about this.  Allah Almighty clearly declared this:

"Know they not Allah Knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal? And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book (i.e., the Bible), but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture.  Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' To traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.   (The Noble Quran, 2:77-79)"

"O Apostle! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, 'If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!' If any one's trial is intended by God, thou hast no authority in the least for him against God. For such - it is not God's will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment.  (The Noble Quran, 5:41)"

Narrated Ubaidullah:  "Ibn 'Abbas said, "Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!"  (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)"

Please visit: What parts of the Bible and Hadiths do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth? and Why?

He wrote:

Finally, the following citation demonstrates that there were Muslims who had no problem in accepting all the OT Psalms:

Although this source erroneously attributes all 150 Psalms to David, this nonetheless demonstrates that some Muslims wholeheartedly embraced and accepted all of the OT Psalms as God's revealed Word.

My response:

It's funny how you yourself said "erroneously attributes all 150 Psalms to David".  It is obvious that you yourself don't believe that the entire Psalm of today is 100% from GOD Almighty.

Let me ask you this, can you honestly say this statement:  "The Bible is 100% from GOD Almighty"?  If you can't, then what exactly is your point from this nonsensical article that you wrote?

If you wanted to discuss the words created by men, then sorry, I am not interested.   But if you wanted to discuss the Holy Words of GOD Almighty, then until you prove to me that:

1-  The Bible is all perfect and from GOD Almighty.

2-  The word "Bible" exists in the Bible, which would then help your case in combining all 66+ books into one so-called "Holy Bible" book.

Until you establish this, then your whole argument is folly.

He wrote:

Hence, not only does the Quran say that Allah personally wrote the Psalms, but it also says that the Psalms were given to other Prophets besides David!! Therefore, since Osama believes that the Psalms aren't the word of God, then the Quran is wrong based on his logic!! Amazing!!!

My response:

I covered this point in great details and showed the Noble Verses that declare the Bible to be corrupted above.  Again, please visit: What parts of the Bible and Hadiths do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth? and Why?

He wrote:

Now let us see what happens when we emphasize specific parts of the passage in question:

Once the passage is read in context, we discover that it is not speaking of Jews and Christians corrupting their Holy Book, but rather unlettered Jews who were ignorant of the content of scriptures and falsified revelation for gain.

My response:

You forgot this part in the Noble Verse: "Then woe to those who write the Book [the Bible] with their own hands," This perfectly agrees with Jeremiah 8:8:

"How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.  (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

Again, please visit: What parts of the Bible and Hadiths do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth? and Why?

He wrote:

Yet, the Quran clearly speaks of learned Jews and Christians who knew scripture and would not sell it for gain:

Osama presents no proof of Bible corruption whatsoever. He lies and misquotes the NIV Bible to develop a fake and phony argument against the Holy Scriptures. Here is Osama's link where this information is found: http://www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm

My response:

These Noble Verses don't suggest that the Bible is not corrupted.  I have presented the evidence from the Noble Quran and Hadiths that the Bible of today is corrupt.  These two Noble Verses that you presented are addressed in: What is the place of Jesus, Jews and Christians in Islam?

As to "Osama presents no proof of Bible corruption whatsoever", this is an obvious lie on your part, because you yourself admitted that there are bibles that have different quantity of chapters than others in specific books, and you blindly follow the Bible without proofs.  This is not to mention the obvious and irrefutable historical facts about the mysterious authors who wrote the books and gospels of the bible that you utterly failed to respond to.  And last but not least, your acceptance of unknown co-authors' writings in the Bible, and your refusal to consider it as a major problem in "Bible Corruption" even if we don't know if these co-authors were chosen from GOD Almighty or not.

Therefore Quennel, you have utterly and miserably failed to prove anything here other than your lack of knowledge, real faith, and real respect to your Creator, the Almighty GOD.

Back to My Rebuttals, and exposing the lies of the Answering Islam team section.

101 Contradictions in the Bible!

How can Jesus be GOD Almighty when he asked for GOD's Forgiveness?

Answering Trinity.

Contradictions and History of Corruption in the Bible.

Questions about Jesus that trinitarian Christians don't have logical answers for.

What parts of the Bible do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth? and Why?

"Allah" was GOD Almighty's original Name in the Bible according to the Hebrew and Aramaic sources.

Scientific Miracles in Islam and the Noble Quran.

Most of the Bible's books and gospels were written by mysterious people!

Jesus mentioned Muhammad by the name in the Bible.

Hebrews 5:7-8 confirm Islam's claim about Jesus never got crucified and contradicts the Bible!  According to the documentary film, "Banned from the Bible", which I watched on the History Channel, some of Saint Peter's apocalypse were banned from the current Bible, and these Epistles contain what Islam claims - that Jesus didn't get crucified on the cross and it only appeared that he was.  This banned part also says that Jesus was standing next to the cross laughing.  These are the parts of the Bible that only few people in the world know about.

According to the documentary film, the apocalypse was very popular among Christians during the 2nd century.  They believed "it was spiritually inspired" by GOD Almighty to Saint Peter.  They actually had doubts about "John's apocalypse", which is known today as "the Book of Revelation".  Interestingly also, this apocalypse says that after GOD Almighty fills both Heaven and Hell with inhabitants from Mankind, and the people of Hell get tortured for a long period of time, the People of Heaven will ask and Pray to GOD Almighty to Forgive the people of Hell.  GOD Almighty will then eventually listen to their Prayers, and will order the "Gates and the Steel Bars of Hell" to be opened and allow the people of Hell to enter Heaven for Good.  This apocalypse of Peter seems to also perfectly fit Noble Verse 7:40 in the Noble Quran where Allah Almighty Promised that He will eventually open the Gates of Heaven to all disbelievers and empty Hell.  Please visit: Hell will eventually be empty according to Islam.

Did Isaiah 53 really prophesies about the crucifixion of Jesus?
It supports Islam's claims about Jesus peace be upon him never died on the cross.  I also addressed John 19:36-37 from the Bible and proved that Jesus never got crucified, since GOD Almighty promised that he will protect Jesus' body and not let even a single bone be broken.  My question to all Christians is: How in the world is it possible for the feet to get nailed on the cross without any penetration to the bones by the nails, hence breaking part of the feet's bones?! I also added refutations to Exodus 12:46, Numbers 9:12, Zechariah 12:10 and Psalm 34:20, which supposedly prove the Christians' belief about Jesus crucifixion.  I proved that this dogma has no truth what so ever and exposed the wrong Trinitarian English translation of Zechariah 12:10.  I also showed in Isaiah 52:13 "...he will be raised and lifted up....", which clearly and perfectly agrees with Islam about Jesus never died on the cross.  "Raised and lifted" suggests that Jesus will be picked up right from the cross, or saved right from the cross by Allah Almighty.  It suggests that Jesus will not die, nor get crucified, but rather be raised and lifted by GOD Almighty to Heavens.

None of Jesus' disciples witnessed the crucifixion. They "all fled" and "deserted" Jesus. This further confirms Islam's claims.

Jesus was never "disfigured beyond human recognition" in the New Testament as the Old Testament predicted!

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