4- Why can't we call it GOD as trinitarians do?

First of all, it is important to know that satan's biggest lie, trinity, is only an interpretation and a conclusion.  There is not a single text in the Bible that says the Holy Spirit is GOD Almighty, nor does that satanic word, trinity, even exist in the Bible.  People during Constantine's days around year 300, because they were and still are naturally inclined to idol worship, polytheism and paganism as the Far Eastern religions are today, they decided to consider Jesus and the Holy Spirit as GOD Almighty.   Satan's deception and evil is overwhelming and powerful.  It is no surprise that people fell for this lie by the billions throughout history, as many more billions had fell for satan's lies in the Far Eastern pagan religions.  Trinity, like I said, doesn't even exist in the bible.  The word doesn't exist anywhere in the book, nor do we have any text that says Jesus is the Creator of the Universe.  The same also goes for the Holy Spirit.

The reason why Muslims don't call the Holy Spirit as GOD Almighty is because it is just a creation of GOD Almighty with specific and limited duties as I clearly demonstrated above from the Noble Quran.  Like the Angels and the other Universal Spirits, the Holy Spirit is unknown to us and we can't fully describe it.  But nonetheless, this doesn't give anyone the right to start getting colorful and smart and deceive the weak-minded and call it and other creations as GOD Almighty.

I have a long and detailed section that refutes the lie of trinity from the Bible.  It's best if you read it and see the Truth for yourself.

RESPONSE:

Notice how Osama ends up contradicting himself. He says that the Holy Spirit is unknown to him and cannot be fully described, and yet Osama seems to know enough to conclude that the Holy Spirit isn’t God! Osama attacks the idea of the Trinity as a satanic lie, but has failed to refute the biblical evidence proving the Trinity. He blasphemes the true God solely on the basis of his erroneous, unproven assumption that the Trinity cannot be true. We already presented one text that said that the Spirit is God, and here we would like to cite another text which actually identifies the Spirit with Yahweh God:

"Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses’ face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, will not the ministry of the Spirit have even more glory? For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory. Indeed, in this case, what once had glory has come to have no glory at all, because of the glory that surpasses it. For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory. Since we have such a hope, we are very bold, not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not gaze at the outcome of what was being brought to an end. But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. Now THE LORD IS THE SPIRIT, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another." For this comes from the Lord WHO IS THE SPIRIT." 2 Corinthians 3:7-18

Paul is reflecting on Moses’ encounter with Yahweh, where the former had to cover his face from the light which emanated due to his communion with God:

"When Moses came down from Mount Sinai, with the two tablets of the testimony in his hand as he came down from the mountain, Moses did not know that the skin of his face shone because he had been talking with God. Aaron and all the people of Israel saw Moses, and behold, the skin of his face shone, and they were afraid to come near him. But Moses called to them, and Aaron and all the leaders of the congregation returned to him, and Moses talked with them. Afterward all the people of Israel came near, and he commanded them all that the LORD had spoken with him in Mount Sinai. And when Moses had finished speaking with them, he put a veil over his face. Whenever Moses went in before the LORD to speak with him, he would remove the veil, until he came out. And when he came out and told the people of Israel what he was commanded, the people of Israel would see the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses' face was shining. And Moses would put the veil over his face again, until he went in to speak with him." Exodus 34:29-35

Paul is basically saying that the God whom Moses saw, the Lord who appeared to him was the Holy Spirit or the Spirit of Yahweh!

And here, also, are the passages which identify the Lord Jesus as the Creator of the Universe:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men… He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him… And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth." John 1:1-4, 10, 14

"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him ALL THINGS WERE CREATED, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together." Colossians 1:15-17

"but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power… But of the Son he says, … ‘You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands; they will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment, like a robe you will roll them up, like a garment they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will have no end.’" Hebrews 1:2-3, 8a, 10-12

Osama further exposes his ignorance regarding Christian history, since the Trinity is not only taught in the Holy Bible, but was already affirmed and articulated in the writings of the Fathers long before Constantine and Nicaea in AD 325! Please go here for the proof:

http://forananswer.org/Top_JW/EarlyChristians.htm
http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/apl/jw/ignatius.txt
http://aomin.org/The_Pre_Existence_of_Christ.html
http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/debate5.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Menj/tam_r2.htm

Osama also repeats the very outdated argument that the word Trinity isn’t found in the Bible, as if this somehow means anything or refutes the doctrine. The word Trinity doesn’t have to appear in the Bible in order for the Scriptures to teach what the word implies. Osama’s argument is equivalent to someone saying that just because the precise word Tauhid, does not appear in the Quran, nor its three classifications or subsets (i.e. tauhid al-rububiyyah, tauhid al-uluhiyya or ibaadah, tauhid al-asma wa sifat), this means that the Quran doesn’t teach it.{1}

The real reason why Muslims don't call the Holy Spirit God Almighty is because of the indoctrination and brainwashing they have undergone. Muslims have been deceived by their scholars and Islamic scholarship that Allah is not a plurality of persons, and that the Spirit is not Allah. But the fact is that neither God’s true Word, the Holy Bible, nor the Quran teach that the Spirit is a creation of God Almighty. Both books teach that the Holy Spirit has all the essential attributes of God, with the Bible even going so far as to call the Sprit both God and Lord. Although both books speak of the Spirit being subject to God, neither book say that this makes him like the other creatures such as angels. In fact, unlike the Spirit, angels are said to be creatures of God. And the reason why the Holy Spirit cannot be completely known or fully described is because he is God! Just like God, the Spirit is incomprehensible to our finite minds. There is actually a Muslim who even says this. The late Yusuf Ali, commenting on surah 58:22 regarding the Spirit from God, wrote:

"... Cf. ii 87 and 253, where it is said that God strengthened the Prophet Jesus with the holy spirit. Here we learn that all good and righteous men are strengthened by God with the holy spirit. If anything, the phrase used here is stronger, ‘a spirit from Himself’. Whenever any one offers his heart in faith and purity to God, God accepts it, engraves that faith on the seeker's heart, and further fortifies him with the DIVINE Spirit, which we can no more define adequately than we can define in human language the nature of God." (Ali, The Meaning of the Holy Quran, p. 1518, fn. 5365; bold and capital emphasis ours) {2}

Yusuf Ali dared to call God’s Spirit Divine!

Thus, Osama’s claims to the contrary do nothing to refute the clear evidence that God’s Spirit is God, while also being personally distinct from God. Osama has no right to start getting colorful and smart and deceive the weak-minded and refuse to address God’s Spirit as God Almighty.

Finally, when you do read his papers do make sure to read the refutations to his gross distortions:

http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Osama/index.htm

Osama continues:

Also, it seems clear that the Bible has several types of Universal Spirits, or Holy Spirits.  For instance, we see a prediction about the "Spirit of Fearing GOD" being installed in the coming Prophet, Jesus:

Isaiah 11:1-3
1. A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
2. The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him (Jesus)-- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD (Jesus fearing his GOD)--
3. and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears;

As we see in Isaiah 11:1-3, there is:

1-  Spirit of Wisdom and Understanding.

2-  Spirit of Counsel and of power.

3-  Spirit of Knowledge.

4-  Spirit of the fear of the LORD.

Also, verses above say "and he will delight in the fear of the LORD", which clearly proves that Jesus is under GOD Almighty and can not be equivalent to Him.  I have ample detailed refutations to the lie of trinity on my site.  You can further see them to clearly understand that GOD Almighty is an Absolute One and only One and not a unity or trinity as satan claims.

RESPONSE:

Osama is seriously confused since the text he cites clearly identifies the Spirit of the fear of the Lord etc. as God’s Spirit. The passage is not saying that there are different spirits, but that the one Spirit of God is able to grant different gifts and qualities to believers. God’s Spirit is able to produce reverence in a believer’s heart, and can also grant wisdom, understanding etc. This passage is basically echoing what the following NT citation teaches:

"Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says ‘Jesus is accursed!’ and no one can say ‘Jesus is Lord’ except in the Holy Spirit. Now there are varieties of gifts, but the SAME Spirit; and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. To one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. All these are empowered by ONE AND THE SAME Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills. For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. For in ONE Spirit we were all baptized into one body--Jews or Greeks, slaves or free--and all were made to drink of ONE Spirit. For the body does not consist of one member but of many." 1 Corinthians 12:3-14

That the same Spirit of God is able to equip all believers with different gifts of ministry is another proof of his Deity. The Spirit must be all-powerful and present everywhere for him to be able to equip all the believers wherever they are at.

For the refutation of Osama’s claim that Isaiah 11:1-2 refutes the Deity of the Lord Jesus, please read the following articles:

http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Osama/mantras.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Osama/jesus_yahweh1.htm

The second link is part one of a three-part rebuttal.

Osama:

The Bible's New Testament also records Jesus saying: ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone."  (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"

 

If Jesus doesn't consider himself as "good", then how can any sane person put him on the same level as GOD Almighty?

I have yet to see a good answer to this one by any polytheist trinitarian.

Show me in the Bible where Jesus said he was not GOD!

I sometimes get asked by trinitarians to show them where Jesus said that he WAS NOT GOD Almighty in the Bible.  Ironically, it is like having this scenario:

Q.  Show me where John Doe said that he was not the President of the United States!  Show me the quote now!!

A.  He just said he works as a computer programmer you brainless idiot! :-)

Jesus said he was not good.  He can't possibly say I am your Creator and by the way I am not good.  The question itself shows the complete ignorance about what's written in the bible and reveals the total blasphemy and darkness that polytheist trinitarian pagans are living in.

Jesus is not GOD!  The GOD Almighty of the Old Testament BOASTS about Himself!  He countlessly reminds the Jews about Worshiping Him and only Him because He is the "One who took them out of Egypt", and He's the "One who Saved them from Pharaoh", etc...  Not only that, but He also Punishes to death anyone who profanes His Holy and Blessed Name.

Jesus can not be this Holy and Mighty and Arrogant and Absolute GOD Almighty when he, for instance, escaped to Egypt for his life from King Herod!   The GOD Almighty's Divine Characteristics in the Old Testament can not in anyway fit Jesus who is not "good" and who runs for his life from a creation of GOD Almighty.

RESPONSE:

We have already addressed Mark 10:18 to see what it really means within its intended context, so we ask that our readers go here for the answer: http://answering-islam.org/Shamoun/q_only_god_good.htm

Furthermore, how does God commanding Joseph to take the baby Jesus to Egypt in order to spare his life from Herod disprove that Christ is God? If anything, wouldn’t this show that he is God since even as an infant no one could take his life away from him? Using Osama’s logic, wouldn’t this prove that Yahweh couldn’t be God either, since he caused Moses’ mother to place him in an ark in order to be saved from Pharaoh’s edict that all male babies must be killed? Osama seems to want to play the role of an ignoramus since he knows full well that God often saves the life of his servants by having them flee from the risk of violence and death. In fact, it was directly due to God’s supernatural intervention that Joseph knew to escape to Egypt in order to save the young child’s life:

"Now when they had gone, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, ‘Get up! Take the Child and His mother and flee to Egypt, and remain there until I tell you; for Herod is going to search for the Child to destroy Him.’ So Joseph got up and took the Child and His mother while it was still night, and left for Egypt." Matthew 2:13-14

What would we then say about Allah and Muhammad? According to Muslim sources, Muhammad ran away from a few people in Mecca who intended to kill him. On the night he fled from Mecca to Medina, he even had his own son-in-law and first cousin, Ali, pretend to be him and sleep in his bed in order to make the Meccans think that Muhammad was still in his house. In other words, Muhammad risked the life of Ali instead of risking his own life, showing that Ali, who was much younger than Muhammad, had more courage than his own prophet! Unlike Muhammad, Ali was willing to die for his prophet and his god. Who can believe that this is a true prophet? If Muhammad had truly been the most important prophet of God, then God would have given him power to face his opponents, and would not have allowed his prophet to run away by using deceptive means to save his life.

In light of Osama’s skewed logic, this leaves us with one of two options. Either Allah didn’t have the ability and power to save Muhammad from the threat of his enemies, and therefore needed his prophet to use deception to spare his life. Or Muhammad lacked true faith in the power of his god to save him.

We also need to correct Osama’s distortion of the Bible. God doesn’t boast about who he is, but he simply states the facts about himself and his acts. One of the characteristics of the true God is that he is humble and meek:

"The LORD is near to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit." Psalm 34:18

"For thus says the One who is high and lifted up, who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy: ‘I dwell in the high and holy place, and also with him who is of a contrite and lowly spirit, to revive the spirit of the lowly, and to revive the heart of the contrite." Isaiah 57:15

"Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." Matthew 11:28-30

Allah is the snide and proud boaster since one of his names happens to be "al-mutakabbir," the prideful or most proud:

He is the One GOD; there is no other god beside Him. The King, the Most Sacred, the Peace, the Most Faithful, the Supreme, the Almighty, the Most Powerful, the Most Proud (al-mutakabbiru). GOD be glorified; far above having partners. S. 59:23

The late, great Samuel Zwemer noted:

10. El-Mutakabbir - The Proud. This word when used of a human being always implies haughtiness, and Zamakhshari defines it (Surah 59:23), "Supreme in pride and greatness or the One who is haughty above the wickedness of his slaves." (Zwemer, "The Ninety-Nine Names of Allah," The Moslem Doctrine of God, Chapter III, p. 37; online edition)

According to the Holy Bible, pride or conceit is a quality of Satan, something which God hates:

"Everyone who is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD; Assuredly, he will not be unpunished." Proverbs 16:5

"He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil." 1 Timothy 3:6-7

Thus, according to the Holy Bible, Allah exhibits two of the qualities of Satan, pride and deception (Cf. John 8:44).

5-  The miracle of Adam's creation is far greater than Jesus' creation!

It is often said by trinitarians that Jesus' miraculous birth is a clear proof that he is the Creator of the Universe.  I often hear this absurd nonsense and easily refute it by presenting Adam's creation.  Adam was created in a much more complex Miracle than Jesus.  At least Jesus had to be formed as a fetus in a woman's womb.  Yes she was virgin when GOD Almighty caused her to get pregnant, but nonetheless, Jesus had to be formed as a fetus in a human womb like you and me.

Adam on the other hand and Eve also were created in a much more complex Miracle.   Adam was created vitually [sic] out of nothing.  Eve, his wife, was created from his rib.  These two Miracles are far greater than Jesus' birth.

So the absurd claim about Jesus' birth proving that he is GOD Almighty is soundly debunked through simple common sense.

Also please visit:  None of Jesus' Miracles were unique either.

RESPONSE:

Osama’s appeal to the creation of Adam and Eve to offset Jesus’ unique conception does very little to refute Christian claims. In the first place, Adam was the first man created and could not have been born from either a man or a woman. His creation was a result of the circumstances in which he was born. Likewise, Eve was the first woman created, and so could not have been born from a woman.

The Lord Jesus was different. Whereas Adam and Eve were the first set of humans and could not have entered life through the normal process of sexual reproduction, this was not the case with the Lord Jesus. Sexual reproduction had already been set into motion by God when Christ was conceived supernaturally, so the question remains why was it necessary for Jesus to be born of a virgin? The Quran fails to answer the question, whereas the Holy Bible gives us the reason:

"And Mary said to the angel, ‘How can this be since I have no husband?’ And the angel said to her, ‘The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the most high will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.’" Luke 1:34-35

Jesus’ conception from the blessed virgin Mary was because he is the holy Son of God. Lest Osama misunderstand our point, or tries to deliberately twist our words, we are not saying that the virgin birth makes Jesus the Son of God. On the contrary, it is because Jesus is the Son of God that he was born from the virgin. The virgin birth was the way God deemed fitting for his beloved and eternal Son to enter into time and space in order to become a man.

So our questions to Osama are these:

Please explain why Jesus was born from a virgin.

Further explain why did God choose him to be born of a virgin as opposed to some other prophet.

Also please read our refutation of Osama’s paper: http://answering-islam.org/Shamoun/badawi-jesus.htm

6-  Conclusion:

In the light of the Quranic Noble Verses and the Biblical verses above, the Holy Spirit is in no way GOD Almighty Himself.  To say the least regarding Islam, the lie of trinity and/or duality of GOD Almighty in Islam does not exist, and it had been soundly debunked throughout this article!  The Christian missionaries' new lies and tactics about introducing trinity in Islam's Doctrines has been exposed in this article through the Will and Wisdom of Allah Almighty.  All Praise due to Him.

As I demonstrated above using the Noble Quran, the Holy Spirit is only a Creation from GOD Almighty, and it has specific duties assigned to it.  Also in the Day of Judgement, the Holy Spirit and the Angels will be standing before GOD Almighty waiting for His Divine Orders and Commands, which indisputably proves that the Holy Spirit is below Allah Almighty and is in no way part of Him.

Conclusion

In light of our response, we must say that Osama fell short of disproving that the Holy Spirit is God Almighty Himself. His attempt of disproving that Islam teaches that Allah is a duality has been soundly debunked throughout our article! The Muslim dawagandists’ new lies and tactics used to cover up Islam’s clear teachings that Allah is more than one Person, or that the Quran teaches that there is more than one god, have been exposed in this article by the sovereign grace and mercy of the Almighty Triune God of the Holy Bible, Yahweh of hosts. All Praise is due to Him alone.

As we demonstrated above by using the Quran, the Holy Spirit cannot be a creation from God Almighty, since the specific duties assigned to him proves beyond any reasonable doubt that he is God. Also on the Day of Judgment, just because the Holy Spirit and the Angels will be standing before God Almighty awaiting His divine orders and commands doesn’t mean that the Spirit is not God. The most this proves is that either the Quran is confused and contradictory or that the Holy Spirit is subject to Allah. If the latter position is taken, then those passages only prove that Allah exists as a plurality of persons who are subject to one another. But since the Quran teaches that all these persons are truly God in nature then their subjection to each other does not imply that they are not all fully God. Osama has confused nature with authority, erroneously assuming that subjection to another must imply an inferiority of essence. He seems to have never realized that one can be subject to another without this meaning that the two entities are not equal in essence.

Finally, our pointing out that the Quran teaches that Allah’s Spirit is God doesn’t mean that we are endorsing the belief that Allah is the same Triune God revealed in the Holy Bible. We are only trying to show through this that the Muslim claim that Allah is a singularity, that the Muslim god exists as only one single Person, is not substantiated by the teachings of the Quran.

Notes

{1} The Quran not only doesn't ever use the word Tauhid, or explicitly mention the names of the three subsets of Tauhid, it doesn't even teach such a concept of God at all! The Muslim conception of Tauhid is supposed to rule out the belief that the one God exists in a plurality of Persons. But, as we demonstrated in this paper, that is not what the Quran teaches. It may be that a Muslim can say that Tauhid speaks against embracing others, besides the one God, as God. But since the Spirit is not a creature, nor is he someone other than God, than the concept of Tauhid does not rule out believing in the Spirit's Deity. This would be comparable to the biblical teaching on the Trinity; that since the biblical doctrine of the Trinity teaches that the three distinct Persons of the Godhead are not separate beings, or individual gods, or creatures, to therefore worship them as God is not a violation of true monotheism. To worship others besides the one true God would be violating pure monotheism.

{2} In some more recent versions of Yusuf Ali's English translation, the notes have been changed (more like tampered with), in an obvious attempt of making Ali sound more in line with a perceived orthodoxy. For instance, compare the version of Ali's quote which we presented with the following CD Rom version of his commentary:

"... Cf. ii 87 and 253, where it is said that ALLAH strengthened the Prophet Jesus with the holy spirit. Here we learn that all good and righteous men are strengthened by ALLAH. If anything, the phrase used here is stronger, 'a spirit from Himself'. Whenever any one offers his heart in faith and purity to ALLAH, ALLAH accepts it, engraves that faith on the seeker's heart, and further fortifies him with HIS HELP, which we can no more define adequately than we can define in human language the nature of ALLAH." (ALIM CD-ROM Version; capital emphasis ours)

This version of Ali's commentary has changed God to Allah, and divine Spirit to his help, as well as omitting the words, "with the holy spirit" from the clause, "strengthened by Allah."

The Muslims obviously had a hard time with Ali calling God's Spirit divine, or with his claim that believers are strengthened with the holy spirit. Such editing is not unusual for Muslims, and for more examples of this kind we recommend reading the following articles:

Rebuttals to Answering-Christianity
Articles by Sam Shamoun
Answering Islam Home Page