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Jesus as Yahweh God: Another Rebuttal to a Muslim's Denial
Jesus as Yahweh God
Another Rebuttal to a Muslims Denial
Sam Shamoun
Osama Abdallah has attempted to save face and respond to my thorough refutation
of his denial that the Bible teaches that Jesus is Yahweh God.
Instead of reading our present response first, we highly encourage our readers to begin with reading
Osamas initial paper,
then our first response, and follow this up with Osamas recent
"rebuttal".
Before we even begin addressing Osamas claims, we need to break down what exactly
Trinitarians believe about God and Jesus on the authority of the Holy Bible.
1. There is only one, eternal God.
2. God eternally exists in three distinct, yet inseparable Persons: the Father, the
Son, and the Holy Spirit.
3. The Person of the Son, also known as the Word, became man when he entered time and
space and was born of the Virgin Mary, by the power of the Holy Spirit. Hence, the Lord
Jesus is both God and man at the same time, two natures united in one Person.
Any argument that fails to take these points into consideration is nothing more than
a gross misrepresentation of what historic Trinitarianism has taught. It is one thing to
argue that the Holy Bible does not teach these truths, but it is quite another thing to
attack a view of the Trinity that no informed Trinitarian holds and then claim that the
doctrine of the Trinity has been refuted.
We now get to the heart of the matter. Instead of addressing Osamas points in
the sequence in which they appear, we have decided to break his points down in sections
and address them topically. We wont be addressing them sequentially.
Osama writes:
My rebuttal to Sam Shamoun's "Refuting Osama Abdallah on Jeremiah 23:5-6"
article:
The following article is a refutation to Sam Shamoun's article that is located at:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Osama/jeremiah23.htm.
Below, we will see once again that Jesus, the man created from dust, can
not be GOD Almighty, and most certainly was not ever called GOD Almighty. Sam
Shamoun's article is a response to my article: Answering
Jeremiah 23:5-6: A big blow to Sam Shamoun's trinity nonsense existing in the Old
Testament.
You will also see corrections to some major and sensitive points to Sam Shamoun using
Hebrew references that further debunk the polytheist trinity pagan lie that he believes
in.
RESPONSE:
Our response will show here that, much like his initial article, Osama falls way short
of refuting the fact that Jesus, the man from heaven, is Yahweh God Almighty. We will
again see that Osama cannot rationally refute facts, but is reduced to lying, distorting,
and deliberately misrepresenting what the Holy Bible and his own sources actually say. As
we will be showing, his appeal to Hebrew backfires against him, further discrediting him
as an apologist.
It seems that Osama will just about do and say anything to attack the truth of the Trinity
and promote his belief in a non-existent god, whom Muhammad took from his pagan background,
turning a false pagan god into the true God.
Osama says:
You immediately put a "red dot" on my screen name, which means that I could
not ask further questions, because my text was all blocked. You also halted for a
little while and came up with a bunch of nonsense to save face in front of your audience.
I wonder why I was "red dotted" right after my very first sentence, which
was my very first question also after my peace salutation to everyone in the chat room.
What is it that scared you about me and my questions? You have yet to be a
man of your words and accept my trinity and pornography in the Bible challenge debates on
paltalk that we both agreed on.
Is Mr. Shamoun a coward and a liar, or a man in his words? I'll
let him answer this one for us.
RESPONSE:
Let us set the record straight by exposing more of Osamas lies. For those
not familiar with what the red dot is, it is a feature on Paltalk given to
the administrators of a room to silence and/or disenable a person in the room.
The reason why Osama was red dotted was because of his failure to comply
with my requests. Instead of waiting for me to finish answering his first question,
he kept trying to bombard the room with questions and written texts. I warned Osama
to be patient and allow me to address one point at a time where I would be only too
glad to refute all of his weak arguments. Osama refused, and was red dotted, so he
had to sit and listen as his points were being refuted and exposed for all to hear.
And again, Osama is lying. There was no halting for a little while on my part, but the
confidence in knowing how easy God has made it to refute the lies and attacks against his
inspired truth, the Holy Bible.
But let us assume, for the sake of argument, that I did take a few seconds to respond.
So what? Frankly, I fail to see what is so bad in a short pause for thinking. Would it be
wrong to take a moment to think about the question in order to insure the best and most
accurate way of responding to it? The real question is: Can we answer? It matters not
whether the answer comes after half a second or after two seconds, or even ten minutes!
Osamas accusation is ridiculous, and just goes to show the type of (ir)rationality
and thinking he employs.
As far as debating Osama goes, well, after his major loss and his foul-mouthed
disrespectful attitude, we have decided that it isnt worth pursuing any more live
debates with Osama. He has neither the respect nor the ability to address the issues in
a logical and coherent manner, just as these series of rebuttals will prove.
We will issue the following challenge to Osama:
OSAMA, WE WILL GLADLY DEBATE AND DEFEAT YOU AGAIN REGARDING THE TRINITY AND PORNOGRAPHY
IN THE BIBLE AND THE QURAN, PROVIDED THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO DO THE FOLLOWING: PLEASE SHOW US
THAT YOU ARE WORTH INVESTING AND SPENDING OUR TIME ON BY PROVIDING JUST ONE COHERENT,
RATIONAL, AND LOGICAL REPLY TO OUR RESPONSES, INSTEAD OF THE INCOHERENT BABBLE THAT YOU
KEEP DISHING OUT. IF AND WHEN YOU ARE CAPABLE OF DOING SO, WE WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO
DEFEAT YOU AGAIN. YOU HAVE OUR WORD ON IT.
And now on to our rebuttal where we document how Osama has proven that he is not
up to the task of debating us, whether in a live debate or via written format.
OSAMA ON THE BOOK OF HEBREWS
Osama states:
Also, below you will see how I exposed Sam Shamoun for why he LIED and
only quoted Hebrews 1:8,10,11,12 and skipped Hebrews 1:9 (which refutes his trinity pagan
lie), to twist the quotes and to deceive his reader and to falsely prove his trinity pagan
lie.
Later on he writes:
Notice how Sam Shamoun, the liar, skipped Hebrews 1:9 above, and only gave Hebrews
1:8,10,11,12. The reason he did this is because Hebrews 1:9 refutes his polytheist
trinitarian pagan lie. Here is how Hebrews 1:8-12 read from the King James Version Bible:
Hebrews 1
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is
for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath
anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the
heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the
same, and thy years shall not fail.
Few points to mention:
1- The verses are talking about GOD Almighty's Creation and Him laying down
the foundation of the earth, and the throne of Jesus on earth.
2- "therefore God, even thy God,
hath annointed thee" is really saying "therefore
leader, even your GOD Almighty, hath annointed thee". The reason I say this
is because as I proved, even satan was given the same "God" title that Jesus was
given:
"The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they
cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. (From the NIV Bible, 2 Corinthians 4:4)"
Satan was called "hotheos", which is the same exact word given to Jesus
throughout the New Testament. Yet, the trinitarian pagan liars try to deceive the
reader and give false conclusions that Jesus is the Creator of the universe, similar to
what Sam Shamoun the liar tried to do by removing Hebrews 1:9 from his quotes above.
Satanic indeed!
3- Sam Shamoun, the liar, tried to prove that Jesus is the one who created
Heavens and earth and layed the earth's foundations through twisting the quotes above.
RESPONSE:
It is easy to level accusations such as ‘liar’, but it is quite another thing
to be able to prove that one is actually lying. As anyone can see, I didnt even quote
the entirety of verse 8, let alone 9, since I was interested in citing only that part
which was relevant in showing that the author was speaking of the Son in vv. 10-12. I
didnt want the readers to miss the fact that the subject of these verses is the Son
of God, the Lord Jesus Christ. That Osama missed it doesnt surprise me at all, since
I have come to expect his inept handling and reading of the Holy Scriptures.
Since Osama wanted me to read Hebrews 1:9, presumably since he thinks that it refutes
me, I have decided to quote the entire chapter:
"Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the
prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by HIS SON, whom he
appointed THE HEIR OF ALL THINGS, THROUGH WHOM ALSO HE CREATED THE WORLD. He is
the radiance of the glory of God and THE EXACT IMPRINT (charakter) OF HIS NATURE,
and HE UPHOLDS THE UNIVERSE BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER. After making purification for sins,
he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much
superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs. For to
which of the angels did God ever say, You are my Son, today I have begotten
you? Or again, I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a
son? And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, Let
all God's angels worship him. Of the angels he says, He makes his angels
winds, and his ministers a flame of fire. But of the Son he says, Your
throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your
kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has
anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions. And, You,
Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of
your hands; they will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment, like
a robe you will roll them up, like a garment they will be changed. But you are the same,
and your years will have no end. And to which of the angels has he ever
said, Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your
feet? Are they not all ministering spirits sent out to serve for the sake of
those who are to inherit salvation?" Hebrews 1:1-14 ESV
As anyone reading the context of Hebrews 1 can see, all the series of OT citations are
applied to the Son. Osama is either deliberately lying or has chosen to misread the text
when he says that Hebrews 1:10-12 is addressing God (meaning the Father), since the
inspired author of Hebrews is clearly applying ALL the OT passages to the Son. This is
made more evident from the fact that, in verses 2-3, the inspired author has already stated
that God created the world (or universe) through the Son, meaning that the Lord Jesus is
the Agent of creation, and that the Son is the one actively sustaining all creation by
his all-powerful Word!
In light of this, we now break down the implications of the entire chapter in order
to see its significance in affirming the full and eternal Deity, as well as the perfect
humanity, of the Lord Jesus:
1. Jesus is the Agent of Creation, the very One who brought all things into existence.
(1:2, 10-12)
There are several NT passages that affirm that the Lord Jesus is the One by whom the
Father created everything. (Cf. John 1:3, 10; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Colossians 1:16-17;
Revelation 3:14)
2. Jesus sustains all creation by his powerful word, again establishing that he is the
Almighty. (1:3)
This too is repeated in other places. (Cf. Philippians 3:20-21; Colossians 1:17)
3. Jesus is the exact imprint of God's substance, which means that he is fully God in
essence. (1:3)
The word, charakter, initially referred to the exact imprint left by a signet
ring after having been placed in wax. In other words, the text is essentially saying that
Christ perfectly and exactly reflects Gods very own eternal essence, being the
perfect imprint of the Fathers nature, which means that the Lord Jesus is the
eternal and infinite God. A finite creature cannot perfectly duplicate the very essence of
the infinite and inexhaustible God. Only one who is infinite and inexhaustible Deity can
be described in such language. Noted NT Scholar Murray J. Harris states:
"When the Son is said to be the radiant light of Gods glory (on
apaugasma te doxes) (v.3 JB) and to bear the imprint of God's nature
(charakter tes hupostaseos autou) (v. 3), he is being described as
the intrinsic possessor of the nature of God without actually being given the generic
title of God. (Harris, Jesus as God - The New Testament Use of Theos in
Reference to Jesus [Grand Rapids; Baker Book House, 1992], p. 222; bold emphasis ours)
4. Jesus is the Son of God even before the creation of the universe. (1:2, 5)
Again, many NT citations affirm this point (cf. Mark 12:6-8; John 1:1-18;
3:16-17; 11:27; 17:1-5; Galatians 4:4).
5. Jesus is the Heir of all things. (1:2)
This, too, is stated in other passages (cf. Matthew 28:18; Mark 12:6-8; Luke 10:22;
John 3:35; 13:3; 16:15; 17:2,10; Colossians 1:13-18).
According to the Quran, the scripture that Osama erroneously thinks is the word of
the true God, it is God who is the Heir of all things:
"To Him belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth: It is He who
gives life and death; and He has power over all things." S. 57:2
"To God belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth; And God
hath power over all things." S. 3:189
"And certainly We! We it is Who give life, and cause death, and We are THE
HEIRS." S. 15:23
"Lo! We, only We, inherit the earth and all who are thereon, and unto Us
they are returned." S. 19:40
Even the author of the Quran realized that the Heir of creation is God Almighty, which
means that if Christ is indeed the Heir (which he in fact is, praise be his name!), then
he must be God Almighty! Again, note the logic behind this argument:
- Only God is the Heir of all things.
- Jesus is the Heir of all things.
- Therefore, the Lord Jesus is God.
6. Jesus is the Author of Salvation and provides purification for sins. (1:3b)
This presupposes Jesus humanity and death, that the Lord Jesus truly became human
and died in order to make purification for sins (cf. Hebrews 2:9-17; 9:11-15; 13:20).
7. Jesus sits at God's right hand, actively ruling as eternal King. (1:3b, 8-9, 13)
The NT consistently teaches that after his resurrection, the Lord Jesus ascended into
heaven to sit enthroned at his Fathers right hand (cf. Mark 14:61-62; Acts 2:33-34;
7:55-56; Colossians 3:1-2; 1 Peter 3:18-22).
8. Jesus is worshiped by angels. (1:6)
9. Jesus is God. (1:8)
There are several Old and New Testament passages which directly call Jesus God (cf.
Isaiah 9:6; John 1:1, 18; 20:28; Romans 9:5; Titus 2:13; 2 Peter 1:1).
10. Jesus is Yahweh. (1:10-12; Ps. 102:24-27)
11. Jesus is immutable as opposed to the creation that is changing. (1:10-12)
This is reiterated elsewhere:
"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever." Hebrews 13:8
It is quite clear that the inspired author truly believed that the Lord Jesus is Yahweh
God Almighty, the eternal Son of God, and is the reason why he had no problem attributing
a Psalm regarding Yahwehs role as Creator to the divine Son.
Now Osama tries to raise the issue of Hebrews 1:9 where it says that the Son has a God
over him. Let us repeat the passage one more time, also including verse 8 for context:
"But of the Son he says, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and
ever, the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness
and hated lawlessness; therefore God, thy God, has anointed thee with the oil of
gladness beyond thy comrades."
Osama somehow imagines that this passage undermines the entire Trinitarian position
regarding the Son. Yet this only exposes Osamas willful ignorance of Trinitarian
teaching, as well as a deliberate neglect of the very context from which this passage was
taken. Notice that the inspired author had no problem asserting that the Lord Jesus is
fully, eternally God, the Son of God, the Creator and Sustainer of all creation, while
also affirming that Christ has a God over him. The author was aware, much like informed
Trinitarians, that the Son entered time and space and became a real human being. As such,
the author could see, much like informed Trinitarians do, that Jesus (the eternal
Sons) eternal Father had become Jesus (the Incarnate Ones) God.
Christ no longer existed only as a Divine Being, but also became a true human being.
And because of the reality of the Incarnation, the Father begins relating to his Son as
his God.
We will break it down so that even Osama can understand:
- The Father is the God of all creation.
- Jesus became part of creation when he became a real human being,
when he was born from the Virgin Mary.
- Therefore, the Father becomes Jesus God.
In other words, it is not an either/or situation, but a both/and reality. The dilemma
is only in Osamas imagination.
Osama then mentions 2 Corinthians 4:4 where Satan is allegedly called the god of this
age, and claims that this is identical to the NT depiction of Jesus. In the first place,
if Satan is being referred to here, this doesnt mean the NT writers are calling him
god in the same exact sense that they call either the Father or the Son God. No NT writer
says that Satan is the Agent of creation, the exact imprint of Gods essence, the
Heir of all creation, the Sustainer of the universe, that the angels worship him etc.
Yet all these things are said of the Lord Jesus.
Second, the text (if it is even referring to Satan) is not calling him God, but
"the god of this age", a major difference. This points to the fact that he is
the ruler of this current age, which is characterized by sin and wickedness, since both
the world and sinners are under his bondage and need to be set free by the power of the
Lord Jesus Christ (cf. Luke 4:6; John 8:34-36; 12:31; 14:30; 16:11; Galatians 1:4;
Ephesians 2:2; 2 Timothy 2:26; Hebrews 2:14-15; 1 John 3:8, 5:19; Revelation 2:13; 13:3).
Yet even Satan is under the complete and sovereign control of the Triune God, and is
only ruling because the true God has permitted it for the time being and for a greater
purpose (cf. Psalm 33:10-11; 115:3; 135:6; Proverbs 16:1-4; 19:21; 20:24; 21:1, 30;
Daniel 2:37-38; 4:21-22, 24-26, 34-35; Revelation 1:5; 17:14, 17; 19:16).
This leads us to our third point. It is not at all certain that 2 Corinthians 4:4 is
referring to Satan. Let us quote the passage, and its surrounding context, and see what we
can glean from it:
"Therefore, having this ministry by the mercy of God, we do not
lose heart. We have renounced disgraceful, underhanded ways; we refuse to practice cunning
or to tamper with God's (tou theou) word, but by the open statement of the
truth we would commend ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God (tou
theou). And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled only to those who are
perishing. In their case the god (ho theos) of this world (or age - aionos)
has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel
of the glory of Christ, who is the likeness of God (tou theou). For what we preach
is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, with ourselves as your servants for Jesus'
sake. For it is the God (ho theos) who said, Let light shine out of
darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of
the glory of God (tou theou) in the face of Christ. But we have this treasure
in earthen vessels, to show that the transcendent power belongs to God (to theou)
and not to us." 2 Corinthians 4:1-7
The several uses of the noun theos, God, points in the direction that Paul has
the same exact referent in view, which in this case would be the Father. There are other
reasons for seeing the Father as the God who has blinded the mind of the unbelievers. For
instance, the Scriptures teach that the Lord Jesus actively rules over this age, and the
age to come:
"which he accomplished in Christ when he raised him from the dead and made him sit
at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and
dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age (aioni) but also in
that which is to come; and he has put all things under his feet and has made him the
head over all things for the church, which is his body, the fulness of him who fills all
in all." Ephesians 1:20-23
The Holy Bible also teaches that, as a result of a persons stubbornness and
refusal to accept the light that God has given him or her, God then takes away the little
ability he or she may have for seeing and believing:
"And he said, Go, and say to this people: "Hear and hear, but do
not understand; see and see, but do not perceive." Make the heart of this
people fat, and their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and
hear with their ears, and understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed."
Isaiah 6:9-10
"And he said, He who has ears to hear, let him hear. And when he was
alone, those who were about him with the twelve asked him concerning the parables. And he
said to them, To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those
outside everything is in parables; so that they may indeed see but not perceive,
and may indeed hear but not understand; lest they should turn again, and be
forgiven
And he said to them, Take heed what you hear; the
measure you give will be the measure you get, and still more will be given you. For to him
who has will more be given; and from him who has not, even what he has will be taken
away." Mark 4:9-12, 24-25
"Jesus said, For judgment I came into this world, that those who do not see
may see, and that those who see may become blind. Some of the Pharisees near
him heard this, and they said to him, Are we also blind? Jesus said to them,
If you were blind, you would have no guilt; but now that you say, "We
see," your guilt remains." John 9:39-41
"Jesus said to them, The light is with you for a little longer. Walk
while you have the light, lest the darkness overtake you; he who walks in the darkness
does not know where he goes. While you have the light, believe in the light,
that you may become sons of light. When Jesus had said this, he departed and hid
himself from them. Though he had done so many signs before them, yet they did not
believe in him; it was that the word spoken by the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled:
Lord, who has believed our report, and to whom has the arm of the Lord been
revealed? Therefore they could not believe. For Isaiah again said, He has
blinded their eyes and hardened their heart, lest they should see with their eyes and
perceive with their heart, and turn for me to heal them. Isaiah said this
because he saw his glory and spoke of him." John 12:35-41
"When they had appointed a day for him, they came to him at his lodging in great
numbers. And he expounded the matter to them from morning till evening, testifying to the
kingdom of God and trying to convince them about Jesus both from the law of Moses and from
the prophets. And some were convinced by what he said, while others disbelieved. So, as
they disagreed among themselves, they departed, after Paul had made one statement:
The Holy Spirit was right in saying to your fathers through Isaiah the prophet:
"Go to this people, and say, You shall indeed hear but never understand, and you
shall indeed see but never perceive. For this people's heart has grown dull, and their
ears are heavy of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest they should perceive
with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and turn for
me to heal them." Let it be known to you then that this salvation of God has been
sent to the Gentiles; they will listen." Acts 28:23-28
"I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! I myself am an Israelite,
a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected his
people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the scripture says of Eli'jah, how he pleads
with God against Israel? Lord, they have killed thy prophets, they have demolished
thy altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life. But what is God's reply to
him? I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to
Ba'al. So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. But if it is
by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
What then? Israel failed to obtain what it sought. The elect obtained it, but the rest
were hardened, as it is written, God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that
should not see and ears that should not hear, down to this very day. And David
says, Let their table become a snare and a trap, a pitfall and a retribution for
them; let their eyes be darkened so that they cannot see, and bend their backs for
ever." Romans 11:1-10
Thus, what Paul is actually saying is that the God of this age, who is the Father of
our Lord Jesus Christ, has blinded the mind of the unbelievers as a consequence of their
sinful rebellion against the God who has clearly revealed his truth to them. This is a
point which Paul reiterates elsewhere:
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and
wickedness of men who by their wickedness suppress the truth. For what can be known about
God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. Ever since the creation of the
world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly
perceived in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse; for although they
knew God they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in
their thinking and their senseless minds were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they
became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man
or birds or animals or reptiles. Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their
hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they
exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than
the Creator, who is blessed for ever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to
dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the
men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one
another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due
penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave
them up to a base mind and to improper conduct." Romans 1:18-28
"The coming of the lawless one by the activity of Satan will be with all power
and with pretended signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are to
perish, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends
upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false, so that all may be
condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12
Paul has the backing of the Old Testament on this point:
"But my people did not listen to my voice; Israel would have none of me.
So I gave them over to their stubborn hearts, to follow their own counsels."
Psalm 81:11-12
"O LORD, why dost thou make us err from thy ways and harden our heart,
so that we fear thee not? Return for the sake of thy servants, the tribes of thy
heritage." Isaiah 63:17
"And I said to their children in the wilderness, Do not walk in the statutes of
your fathers, nor observe their ordinances, nor defile yourselves with their idols. I the
LORD am your God; walk in my statutes, and be careful to observe my ordinances, and hallow
my sabbaths that they may be a sign between me and you, that you may know that I the LORD
am your God. But the children rebelled against me; they did not walk in my statutes,
and were not careful to observe my ordinances, by whose observance man shall live; they
profaned my sabbaths. Then I thought I would pour out my wrath upon them and spend my
anger against them in the wilderness. But I withheld my hand, and acted for the sake of my
name, that it should not be profaned in the sight of the nations, in whose sight I had
brought them out. Moreover I swore to them in the wilderness that I would scatter them
among the nations and disperse them through the countries, because they had not
executed my ordinances, but had rejected my statutes and profaned my sabbaths, and their
eyes were set on their fathers' idols. Moreover I gave them statutes that were not
good and ordinances by which they could not have life; and I defiled them through
their very gifts in making them offer by fire all their first-born, that I might horrify
them; I did it that they might know that I am the LORD." Ezekiel 20:18-26
Now, quite obviously, if this passage is referring to the true God then the qualified
sense does not apply as it would if Satan were in view. God isnt just the God of
this age, but of every age. Paul's point would then be that despite this current age being evil,
and even though Satan is currently ruling over this fallen world, God is still sovereign
over all creation and he has both the Devil and the entire world under his control.
If this, in fact, is the case, then Osamas appeal to 2 Corinthians 4:4 is
misplaced since this isnt calling a creature god, but is referring to the
Father as the God of this age. And yet this backfires against Osama and
proves my point, since, according to Ephesians 1:21 (cited above), the Lord
Jesus is the ruler of this age which implies that he is God! Again, this is
indirect evidence since one can legitimately argue that Jesus is a creature
whom God has appointed to rule over creation as his representative. But
when this statement is seen in light of the other data that explicitly affirms
that Christ is God Almighty, it then becomes clear that Jesus rules all ages
because he is the Sovereign Lord God of all creation.
So much for Osamas arguments regarding Hebrews.
OSAMA ON PAUL AND ROMANS
Osama tries to deny that Paul was addressing Jesus as Yahweh. Let us see how well he does:
Few points to mention:
1- Notice how Sam Shamoun's English translation is all twisted. The
word "Lord" is mixed and scrambled between Jesus and his Creator, GOD Almighty,
the ULTIMATE LORD! The trinitarian liars invented these cheap tricks to decieve [sic]
the ordinary and simple-minded readers, who follow blindly and don't bother to reason, to
prove the polytheist trinity pagan lie. Here is what Allah Almighty Said about them
in the Noble Quran: