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More Evidence of Shabirs Inconsistency:
An Analysis of Shabir Allys debate with Dr. Anis Shorrosh [Part 2]
More Evidence of Shabirs Inconsistency
An Analysis of Shabir Allys debate with Dr. Anis Shorrosh [Part 2]
Sam Shamoun
We resume our discussion of Shabirs case
for Muhammad being mentioned in the Holy Bible.
4. The Songs of Solomon contains an echo of Muhammads name (cf. Songs 5:16).
Shabir repeated this point in his first rebuttal period, emphasizing the fact that
Muhammad was the one described in the Song of Solomon. Shabir Ally did admit that the name
in Hebrew means something entirely different from what the Arabic name Muhammad means.
Despite this admission, Shabir still tried to make his case on the basis that the two
languages share a similar root system and pronunciation.
Furthermore, when Shorrosh chided Shabir for claiming that Songs contains
Muhammads name, Shabir responded by denying that this is what he was saying. He said
that it contains an echo of his name, whatever that means. Shabir must have forgotten what
he has written since in one of his articles he makes the following claim:
Now what remains is for us to specify where in the Bible to find mention of our
prophet. In the Old Testament there are many references. The most significant is Song of
Solomon, chapter 5, verse 16. This verse mentions our prophet by name. It says in the
Hebrew language Bibles "He is Muhammad." But English translation have "He
is altogether lovely" instead of the real truth. You need to insist that, SINCE IT
SAYS OUR PROPHETS NAME IN THE HEBREW, the "altogether lovely" translation
is nothing more than a camouflage hiding our prophet's name. Tell every Bible reader
whether Jew or Christian to ask any Hebrew scholar to read the Hebrew word which appears
as "altogether lovely" in the translation. You will hear that word pronounced
"Muhammad." WHY THEN HIDE WHAT YOU SHOULD BELIEVE?
(Tough Questions and Easy Answers;
capital emphasis ours)
What makes this even more interesting is that in this article Shabir addresses specific
questions regarding some things that Dr. Anis Shorrosh had stated in his book Islam
Revealed!
Shabir has taken the phonetic sound of a word which sounds similar to his
prophets name in order to infer that Muhammad is mentioned in the Hebrew Bible.
Basically what Shabir has done is to commit a Phonic Fallacy, i.e. assuming that just
because two words sound the same they have the same or similar meaning or refer to the
same person or thing.
Here are two examples to help illustrate how and when this fallacy is committed so as
to drive home our point.
Both Hebrew and Arabic have the word Akbar, which in Arabic means greater. Yet
according to the following lexical data, based on Brown, Driver, Briggs and Gesenius,
Akbar means mouse in Hebrew!
`akbar {ak-bawr'}
Word Origin
probably from the same as (05908) in the secondary sense of attacking
Definition
1. mouse
(Source: *,
*)
The word appears in the following passages: Leviticus 11:29; I Samuel 6:4-5, 11, 18;
Isaiah 66:17.
Employing Shabirs hermeneutic we can say that when Muslims recite the words Allahu
Akbar they are actually testifying that Allah is a mouse!
Another example of this fallacy is to say that Allah appears in the Greek New Testament
because it uses the word alla, which means "but"! After all, they do
sound the same.
It should be obvious from the foregoing that Shabirs case is quite desperate
since the Hebrew word neither has the same meaning as Muhammad nor is it a noun. It means
lovely or desirable and is an adjective describing the Shulamites lover, i.e.
Solomon, whereas Muhammad is a noun and means praiseworthy.
In fact, it doesnt even sound the same and the word isnt even singular, but
plural in Hebrew! The word in Hebrew is not Muhammad, but machmaddim and is the plural
form of machmad.
Since Shabir is insisting that because these words sound similar and therefore echo
Muhammads own name, he should have no problem with the following texts being echoes
of Muhammad as well. In fact, we will render the Hebrew word as Muhammad for
claritys sake:
"Nevertheless I will send my servants to you tomorrow about this time, and they
shall search your house and the houses of your servants and lay hands on whatever
Muhammad (pleases) you and take it away." 1 Kings 20:6
"The enemy has stretched out his hands over all her Muhammad
(precious things); for she has seen the nations enter her sanctuary, those whom you
forbade to enter your congregation. All her people groan as they search for
bread; they trade their Muhammad (treasures) for food to revive their
strength. Look, O LORD, and see, for I am despised." Lamentations 1:10-11
"Say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord GOD: Behold, I will profane my
sanctuary, the pride of your power, the Muhammad (delight) of your eyes, and
the yearning of your soul, and your sons and your daughters whom you left behind shall
fall by the sword." Ezekiel 24:21
These texts all contain the very word which Shabir claims echoes the name Muhammad. For
the sake of consistency Shabir must also apply these references to Muhammad and thereby
conclude that enemies will take Muhammad away, God will profane Muhammad, and people will
trade their Muhammad for food! We know, of course, that Shabir wouldnt dare apply
these passages to his prophet and the readers can obviously see why.
During the final rebuttal period Shabir said that the Songs shouldnt be taken as
literally referring to sexual love, especially chapter 7, due to its graphic content but
should be viewed as using euphemism to illustrate spiritual truths. More specifically,
Shabir believes that Jewish scholars were correct in saying that this is the Word of God
and that it speaks of God and his love for Israel, just as Christians apply it to Christ
and his Church. Shabir wanted to use this same hermeneutic in connection with Muhammad and
the Muslim ummah, in reference to the love that Muhammad and his followers had for each
other.
One main reason why Jews and Christians apply Songs to the love that God and Christ
have for their communities is because both the Hebrew Bible and the Christian Scriptures
picture God and Christ as spiritual husbands to their people. The Holy Bible says that God
and Christ treat the covenant community as a loving husband treats a spouse:
"For your Maker is your husband, the LORD of hosts is his name; and
the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer, the God of the whole earth he is called."
Isaiah 54:5
"And in that day, declares the LORD, you will call me My Husband,
and no longer will you call me My Baal. For I will remove the names of the
Baals from her mouth, and they shall be remembered by name no more. And I will make for
them a covenant on that day with the beasts of the field, the birds of the heavens, and
the creeping things of the ground. And I will abolish the bow, the sword, and war from the
land, and I will make you lie down in safety. And I will betroth you to me forever.
I will betroth you to me in righteousness and in justice, in steadfast love and in mercy."
Hosea 2:16-19
"Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head
of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior.
Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their
husbands. Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for
her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the
word, so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle
or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish. In the same way husbands
should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no
one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the
church, because we are members of his body. Therefore a man shall leave his father
and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh. This
mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church. However, let
each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her
husband." Ephesians 5:22-33; cf. 2 Corinthians 11:2
"Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of
the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready; it was granted her to clothe
herself with fine linen, bright and pure-- for the fine linen is the righteous
deeds of the saints. And the angel said to me, Write this: Blessed are those who are
invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he said to me, These are the
true words of God." Revelation 19:7-9
"Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth
had passed away, and the sea was no more. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming
down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband." Revelation 21:1-2
In light of the foregoing it is easy to see why Jews and Christians would want to apply
Songs metaphorically or spiritually for Gods and Christs relationship with the
elect.
But the problem with applying this to Muhammad and his ummah is that no Muslim that we
know claims that the ummah was/is Muhammads bride. The Quran never describes Muslims
as the bride of either Allah or Muhammad, and therefore the application to either one is
quite erroneous. Besides, the connection begs the question since it presupposes that
Muhammad was a genuine prophet of the true God, which he of course wasnt.
For more on the common logical fallacies committed by Muslims, especially by Shabir,
please read this article.
5. Jesus prediction of the Paraclete is a prophecy of Muhammad
(cf. John 14:16-17, 26; 15:26; 16:7-15).
Ally believes that the Gospel of John is dated around 100 A.D, after having gone
through several stages of development.
Ally essentially brought this point up to call into question the veracity of these
Paraclete passages, hoping to use this in order to set forth the possibility that John 15
and 16 may have been earlier forms of Jesus teachings than what we find in John 14.
He stated that scholars believed that chapters 15-17 were inserted between chapters 14
and 18 since 13:36 contradicts 16:5 and Jesus said in 14:30 that he wouldnt speak
with the disciples. And yet Jesus continues speaking for two additional chapters. Shabir
believes that these considerations support his position that chapters 15-17 are an earlier
form of Jesus teachings which were then placed in their present location at some
later stage of editing.
Shabir tried to totally discount Jesus Paraclete sayings in John 14, arguing
that they were a corrupted or embellished form of Christs original words.
Ally also asserted that since masculine pronouns are used of the Paraclete in John
15-16, specifically 16, then this implies that he would be a human being, a male salvific
figure, since neuter pronouns would have been used if this were a reference to the Holy
Spirit. Shabir reiterated this point in his rebuttal periods.
We wont bother trying to refute these erroneous claims regarding John 14 being
later, or that 15-17 were inserted into the Gospel at some later stage since that would
make the present paper much longer than what it already is. Instead, we will simply agree
with Shabirs fallacious assumptions and use them to see whether Jesus
statements regarding the Paraclete in chapters 15-16 prove his case.
Here is what Jesus said about the Paraclete, the Spirit of Truth:
"But when the Helper comes, whom I WILL SEND TO YOU from the Father,
the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness
about me. And you also will bear witness, because you have been with me from the
beginning." John 15:26-27
"Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for
if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I WILL SEND HIM
TO YOU. And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and
righteousness and judgment: concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; concerning
righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; concerning
judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. I still have many things to say to
you, but you cannot bear them now. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into
all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will
speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. He will glorify me, for he
will take what is mine and declare it to you. All that the Father has is mine;
therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you." John 16:7-15
Jesus says that he will send the Paraclete from the Father, since the Paraclete
proceeds from the Father. This last statement implies that the Paraclete dwells with/in
the Fathers presence, that he originates out of heaven, from God himself, and would
come from there to be with Christs followers.
If Shabir is correct that these so-called earlier forms of Jesus statements refer
to a male figure, specifically to Muhammad, then he has several problems which he needs to
deal with.
- Jesus will send the Paraclete, yet Muslims believe Allah sent Muhammad. If Shabir is
correct that Muhammad is the Paraclete then this means that Jesus is Allah, the God who
sent Muhammad!
- The Paraclete proceeds from the Father who is in heaven. If Shabir is correct about
Muhammad being the Paraclete then this means that Muhammad was alive and existing in
heaven before Jesus sent him.
- Islamic theology doesnt believe that Allah is anyones father, and yet Jesus
says that the Paraclete will come forth from the Father to glorify him. Hence, if Shabir
accepts this as a genuine saying of Jesus then this means the Quran and Islam are wrong
since they deny Gods spiritual Fatherhood.
- Jesus says that everything that the Father has belongs to him, making him a co-heir with
God, but Islam says Allah is the heir, the inheritor of all things (cf. Suras 15:23;
19:40). Again, since Shabir accepts this statement as genuine this either means that the
Quran is wrong or that Jesus is Allah, Shabirs and Muhammads God!
Shabir will have to contend with and address all these points if he wants to convince
any honest and open-minded reader that these Paraclete passages refer to his prophet.
And if Shabir really wanted to get at what he thinks is the original, or earlier, form
of Jesus sayings then he should have consulted the Synoptic Gospels and Acts since
even by his own admission these all predate John composition, at least in its final
form.
There he would have found evidence that the Paraclete is the Holy Spirit since what
John says about the Paraclete the other writers say about the Holy Spirit. For instance,
one theme that John 15:18-16:15 deals with is Christian persecution for the sake of
Christ. And in that context Jesus says that the Paraclete, the Spirit of Truth, would be
given to his followers in order to serve as his witnesses and that the Paraclete would
declare to them the words of Christ. Compare this to the following statements made about
the Holy Spirit assisting Christs followers to be his witnesses, especially in the
face of persecution as they testify against rulers and authorities:
"I have baptized you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit."
Mark 1:8
"And when they bring you to trial and deliver you over, do not be anxious
beforehand what you are to say, but say whatever is given you in that hour, for it is
not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit." Mark 13:11
"Behold, I am sending you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, so be wise as
serpents and innocent as doves. Beware of men, for they will deliver you over to courts
and flog you in their synagogues, and you will be dragged before governors and kings for
my sake, to bear witness before them and the Gentiles. When they deliver you over, do not
be anxious how you are to speak or what you are to say, for what you are to say will be
given to you in that hour. For it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your
Father speaking through you. Brother will deliver brother over to death, and the
father his child, and children will rise against parents and have them put to death, and
you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be
saved. When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you
will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes."
Matthew 10:16-23
"If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how
much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!"
Luke 11:13
"And behold, I AM sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in
the city until you are clothed with power from on high." Luke 24:49
Note how similar these texts are to Johns Paraclete passages where Jesus says
that both the Father and he would send/give the Paraclete to the believers.
"for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not
many days from now
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon
you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to
the end of the earth." Acts 1:5, 8
"But Peter and the apostles answered, We must obey God rather than men. The
God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree. God exalted him
at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of
sins. And we are witnesses to these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has
given to those who obey him." Acts 5:29-32
"Then some of those who belonged to the synagogue of the Freedmen (as it was
called), and of the Cyrenians, and of the Alexandrians, and of those from Cilicia and
Asia, rose up and disputed with Stephen. But they could not withstand the wisdom
and the Spirit with which he was speaking." Acts 6:9-10
In light of the foregoing, it should be clear to any unbiased reader of the Gospels
that what John has said about the work the Paraclete would perform in and through
Jesus Apostles parallels what is said about the Holy Spirit elsewhere in the NT.
When discussing the Paraclete passages, Shabir referred to the late NT Catholic scholar
Father Raymond Brown and introduced him as one of the foremost New Testament authorities.
He also made reference to his commentary on the Gospel of John.
Amazingly (but not surprisingly), although Shabir spoke glaringly of Brown he totally
discarded what this late scholar said about the Paraclete being the Holy Spirit. Here is
what Brown wrote:
The combination of these diverse features into a consistent picture and the
reshaping of the concept of the Holy Spirit according to that picture are what have
given us the Johannine presentation of the Paraclete. We must examine this presentation in
more detail. It is our contention that John presents the Paraclete as the Holy Spirit
in a special role, namely, as the personal presence of Jesus in the Christian while Jesus
is with the Father.
This means, first of all, that the Johannine picture of the Paraclete is not
inconsistent with what is said in the Gospel itself and in the other NT books about the
Holy Spirit. It is true that the Paraclete is more clearly personal than is the Holy
Spirit in many NT passages, for often the Holy Spirit, like the spirit of God in the OT,
is described as a force. Yet there are certainly other passages that attribute
quasi-personal features to the Holy Spirit, for example, the triadic passages in Paul
where the Spirit is set alongside the Father and the Son, and the Spirit performs
voluntary actions (I Cor xii 11; Rom viii 16). If the Father gives the Paraclete at
Jesus request, the Father gives the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him (Luke xi 13;
also I John iii 24, iv 13). In Titus iii 6 we hear that God has poured out the Spirit
through Jesus Christ. If both the Father and Jesus are said to send the Paraclete, the
Holy Spirit is variously called the Spirit of God (I Cor ii 11; Rom viii 11, 14) and the
Spirit of Jesus (II Cor iii 17; Gal iv 6; Philip 1 19). John iv 24, says "God is
Spirit," meaning that God reveals Himself to men in the Spirit, and John xx 22 has
Jesus giving the Spirit to men. Thus there is nothing said about the coming of the
Paraclete or about the Paracletes relation to the Father and the Son that is totally
strange to the NT picture of the Holy Spirit.
If the Paraclete is called the "Spirit of Truth" and is said to bear witness
on Jesus behalf, in I John V 6(7) we are told, "It is the Spirit that bears
witness to this, for the Spirit is truth." If the witness of the Paraclete is borne
through the disciples, so in Acts the coming of the Holy Spirit is what moves the
disciples to bear witness to Jesus resurrection. Conceptually there is a very close
parallel to John xv 26-27 in Acts v 32
If the Paraclete is to teach the disciples,
Luke xii 12 says that the Holy Spirit will teach them (see also discussion of I John ii 27
in vol. 30). If the Paraclete has a forensic function in proving the world wrong, the
Spirit in Matt x 20 and Acts vi 10 also has a forensic function, namely, that of defending
the disciples on trial.
This does not mean that the Paraclete is simply the same as the Holy Spirit. Some of
the basic functions of the Holy Spirit, such as baptismal regeneration, re-creation,
forgiving sins (John iii 5, xx 22-23), are never predicated of the Paraclete. Indeed, by
emphasizing only certain features of the work of the Spirit and by placing them in the
context of the Last Discourse and of Jesus departure, the Johannine writer has
conceived of the Spirit in a highly distinctive manner, so distinctive that he rightly
gave the resultant portrait a special title, "the Paraclete." Nevertheless,
we would stress that the identification of the Paraclete as the Holy Spirit in xiv 26 IS
NOT AN EDITORIAL MISTAKE, for the similarities between the Paraclete and the Spirit are
found in all the Paraclete passages. (The Anchor Bible Series: The Gospel According
to John XIII-XXI, A New Translation with Introduction and Commentary by Raymond E. Brown,
Appendix V: The Paraclete [Doubleday Dell Publishing Group, Inc. 1970], Volume 29a, pp.
1139-40; underline and capital emphasis ours)
Thus one of Shabirs own references, a man whom he (not us) praised as a renowned
scholar, agrees with the historic Christian position that Johns Paraclete is indeed
the blessed and glorious Holy Spirit of God. Why then does Shabir even bother using these
Johannine texts to prove that the glorious and immortal Lord Jesus predicted Muhammad when
his own authorities disagree with him?
Concluding Remarks
We finish off our analysis by making some additional observations regarding some of
the other claims which Shabir made. For instance, during the rebuttal periods Shabir
essentially proceeded to assault the Holy Bible so as to offset Dr. Shorroshs
points, attacking the very Scriptures he was using to prove that Muhammad was the Prophet
who was predicted to come!
An example of Shabirs blatant inconsistency came in his response to Dr.
Shorroshs appeal to Jesus own words where the Lord said that Moses wrote about
him (cf. John 5:45-47). Ally responded by saying that many scholars believe that Jesus
could not have been God since he assumed that Moses wrote the Torah (Pentateuch), when in
fact he didnt.
But this is the very same Torah Shabir was using to prove his contention that Moses
predicted Muhammads coming! Hence, Shabir has no problem in using the Torah, or
believing that Moses wrote it, to prove Muhammad was Gods messenger. But when that
same Torah contradicts his beliefs as a Muslim, or proves that Muhammad was a false
prophet, Shabir then appeals to liberal critical scholarship to undermine its validity!
The inconsistency and deceit is truly amazing.
This isnt the only time in the debate that Shabir employed deceptive tricks and
inconsistent tactics. When Shorrosh presented a list of similarities between Moses and
Jesus, Shabir responds by saying that he was quoting a point of view from a Christian
writer who deliberately tried to make Jesus look like Moses. Shabir basically discounted
the NT witness as a fabrication, attempts by the writers to embellish their stories in
order to make Jesus appear like Moses. Shabir cited John Dominic Crossan who says that the
Gospels are not history memorized but prophecy historicized, i.e. the NT writers took OT
texts and wrote a historical setting whereby they made it seem that Jesus fulfilled
prophecy.
The reason we say that this is another example of his deceit at work is because when
Dr. Shorrosh used Al-Sirah Al-Halabiyya to prove that Muhammad and Waraqa met
annually for a month over a 15 year period Shabir brushed it aside due to its being a
document from the 13th century AD. He responds to Shorroshs assumption
that Waraqa was a Nestorian monk who taught Muhammad Hebrew for 15 years by saying:
"You can suppose a lot of things. In the Da Vinci Code it is supposed that Jesus
went along with Mary and had a child and the bloodline survives in France, or wherever.
You can support[sic] a lot of things. But as the New Testament scholar Bart Ehrman
puts it nicely in his book on this, ONE HAS TO HAVE REAL FACTS AND EVIDENCE. You cannot
quote a 13th century book like Al-Sirah Al-Halabiyya. YOU HAVE TO GO
TO THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS, Dr. Shorrosh, and find out what was Waraqa ibn Nawfal, NOT
THE SUPPOSITION OF OTHERS THAT AGREE WITH YOUR OWN SUPPOSITIONS." (Capital emphasis
ours)
But this is exactly what Shabir has done, quote only those scholars that happen to
share his suppositions, while failing to note or even quote other scholars who have
responded to or refuted these arguments. Shabir attacks the original documents and chooses
to rely on select scholars hypothetical assumptions or reconstructions that are
utterly devoid of any real fact or evidence. The great bulk of what these sources say is
not based on any real historical data or proof, but on a prior assumption regarding
the veracity (or the lack thereof) of the NT documents.
For example, what evidence does Crossan have to show that the Gospels are not accurate
historical summaries on the life and teachings of Jesus? Absolutely no evidence, but an
a priori belief that the OT Scriptures do not contain supernatural predictive
prophecies which Jesus literally fulfilled.
Whats more, Shabir doesnt even accept all the conclusions of these
scholars, but selectively chooses whatever may suit his dandy or purpose. For example,
although acknowledging the late Raymond Brown as one of the most renowned NT scholars,
Shabir rejects this scholars conclusion regarding the Paraclete being the Holy
Spirit. But on what grounds? Its definitely not on any textual or historical
grounds, thats for sure.
Now we are not saying that Shabir has to accept everything a particular scholar says.
What we are saying is that one must produce real facts and evidence, as Ehrman put it,
to show why a given scholarly opinion is valid or why one chooses to reject that same
scholars conclusions regarding a specific issue, especially when one is quoting
that same scholarly source as evidence.
Shabir has failed, and continues to fail, to provide any shred of historical,
archaeological, textual, and/or manuscript (MS) evidence to support either his premises
or conclusions. He merely cites one scholars opinion after another, and only those
scholars who happen to share his erroneous assumptions. Oftentimes he quotes only those
parts of these scholars statements which appear to support his claims, but fails to
acknowledge what else these same scholars are saying on a specific issue which does not
agree with Shabirs agenda.
Shabir must therefore do the very thing he demanded of Dr. Shorrosh. He cannot simply
cite sources that share his suppositions, while maligning those documents or scholarly
views which do not, but must produce real facts and evidence.
The fact of the matter is that it was Muhammad who distorted sacred history and twisted
the Holy Bible to suit his fancy. Muhammad didnt make his life conform to the stories
of the prophets, but the reverse! He perverted the biblical stories of the prophets in order
to make their experiences conform to his own, i.e. they used the very words he used, faced
opponents similar to those he faced, made them espouse Islamic theology etc. Unlike Shabir,
we have the documentation to prove this:
http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Sources/allprophets.html
http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/muslims_before.htm
In light of the foregoing, we hope that the readers can see why we say that Shabir is
not interested in a genuine scholarly debate or in preserving and presenting truth. Shabir
is more interested in misquoting, twisting, distorting and abusing his sources in order to
convince people that Islam is true and Christianity is false. He will lie and deliberately
distort things as long as it serves his purpose of demonstrating that he has the truth.
Talk about an oxymoron!
We need to seriously ask, is this how a person tries to convince people to believe in
his or her religion? What kind of religion is this that needs someone to manhandle
references and rewrite history so as to defend it? And how do Muslims feel about the fact
that their best debaters and scholars often need to resort to lies and deception in order
to defend Muhammad and his religion? Doesnt it bother them that their apologists
need to use such deceit and trickery in order to prove Islam?
When a person has to lie in order to save his religion from criticism or to make it
seem true then it becomes obvious that the religion in question cannot be from God. The
Holy Bible tells us where such religions come from:
"You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires.
He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there
is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar
and the father of lies." John 8:44
"I feel a divine jealousy for you, for I betrothed you to one husband, to present
you as a pure virgin to Christ. But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by
his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to
Christ. For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or
if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different
gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough
For such men
are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no
wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if
his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will
correspond to their deeds." 2 Corinthians 11:2-4, 13-15
We are glad for one thing, we are glad that Shabir conducts such debates. After all,
if he didnt engage in these exchanges we wouldnt be able to document his
distortions and logical fallacies. For that we want to thank him since he has given us
the opportunity to show why he is neither a scholar nor a competent student of comparative
religion.
As a side note it should be pointed out that Al-Sirah Al-Halabiyya is considered
one of the most important and authoritative biographies on Muhammad. This can be easily
seen from the response of Sunni writer G.F. Haddad to a question regarding what resources
a person should get on Muhammad's life:
SIRA HALABIYYA; Sirat al-Dahlan; al-Sira al-Shamiyya (the most
comprehensive hadith-based Sira); most recently the massive study by Dr. M.
Abu Shuhba, al-Sira al-Nabawiyya. Also the Sira by the late Egyptian Shaykh,
Muhammad Sadiq `Arjun. A reliable brief Sira used as a textbook in many
schools is Nur al-Yaqin fi Sirat Sayyid al-Mursalin by Shaykh Muhammad
al-Khudari Bayk. (Haddad, Al-Waqidi and Sira —
Did Lings Rely on an Unreliable Source?;
source;
underline and capital emphasis ours)
Further Reading
There was a lot more we could have said regarding each of the specific points raised by
Shabir, but which we decided to leave out due to the size of the paper. We recommend the
following articles for those interested in reading some of the other arguments that we
could have presented here, but didnt for the sake of trying to make the paper less
lengthier than it already is. These papers also address some other points which Shabir
raised in his debate with Dr. Shorrosh that we were unable to address here:
http://answering-islam.org/Green/mhd_bible.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Shamoun/badawi-mhd.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Malik/ishmael.htm
http://answering-islam.org/authors/dawud/deut18_18.html
http://answering-islam.org/Silas/deut1818.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Morin/moses.html
http://answering-islam.org/Campbell/s6c1.html#paraclete
http://answering-islam.org/Silas/comforter.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Meherally/integrity.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Muhammad/Foretold/index.html
http://answering-islam.org/Responses/Shabir-Ally/paracletos.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Shamoun/mhd_in_john1.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/4014/prophecy1.html
Responses to Shabir Ally
Articles by Sam Shamoun
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