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On the alleged corruption of the Bible
Can we argue from a corrupted source?
I claim that it is a logical fallacy when Muslims base arguments for
the truth of Islam on the Bible which in their mind is a corrupted
source.
But to this objection one can often get this Muslim response:
Wrong. The Islamic viewpoint is that there is truth and falsehood
in the Bible. One of the purposes of the Qur'an is to indicate
what is the truth and what is the falsehood. As such one can base
arguments on the Bible.
If one is out to prove that something is wrong, then of course
one uses the material available to do so. If one is to prove that
something is correct, then you would use the other material available.
Since the Bible contains both truth and falsehood, one can do both.
But how do you decide which is the truth and the falsehood in the first
place?
No, you have not understood how flawed this approach is. You are employing
circular reasoning. You want to show the truth of Islam / the Qur'an. But
since the truth of Islam is the goal of your reasoning you cannot use it
in the process or for the foundation of your argument as well.
But in the above approach you do exactly that, because you use the Qur'an
to decide which part of the Bible is right and which is wrong. That makes
your argument circular and therefore wrong. If you have already declared
that the Bible is corrupted and contains falsehood then EITHER [if not
using the Qur'an at all] you base your arguments on something that might
not be true, and your argument itself is therefore invalid, because it
is reasoning from unverified and possibly false premises. OR you try to
separate the true from the false [according to Islam] in order to get
"pure" premises, but then you use the Qur'an to do so and make your
argument circular which invalidates it too.
I agree that it is valid to use the Bible for the attempt to prove
Christianity wrong. But if you want to postulate any corruption in the
Bible [as most Muslims do], then the Bible cannot be used anymore for
a validation of the Qur'an without committing one of the above logical
fallacies.
I insist on it. You will have to come up with an independent validation
of the Qur'an FIRST. THEN you can use the Qur'an to separate the true
from the false in the Bible. BUT this independent validation of the
Qur'an hasn't made its introduction to me yet. THAT is what you have
to show me first.
But on the other hand, if you discard the Bible, then you are pulling
the rug under the Qur'an since the harmony with the earlier revelations
is one of the biggest reasons the Qur'an brings for its own validity.
And you just discarded it!
This objection is met with:
Wrong again. The Qur'an makes clear that the peoples who had received
revelation before have distorted those books, that is one of the reasons
for the sending of the Qur'an, to guard what was sent before..ie. to be
able to tell what is right and wrong in what is claimed to be the previous
revelation. If the claimed previous revelation is not in accord with the
Qur'an, then that part which is not in accord is wrong. The part which
is in accord with the Qur'an is ok.
This is valid ONLY if you have ALREADY shown the Qur'an to be right.
WHERE have you or anybody done so?
BUT even your claim above is wrong. I have asked a many times:
WHERE does the Qur'an speak of the textual corruption of the Christian
scriptures at all? NOWHERE. This is a popular Muslim myth. I have posted
the proof of it several times on this newsgroup. Please go and read the
complete discussion of ALL Qur'an verses about the Jewish and Christian
scriptures at this web page and then tell me whether
Dr. Campbell forgot even one verse and if that one or any of these
verses discussed speaks of corruption of the text of the Christian
scriptures.
If not, then please stop making these unsubstantiated claims.
And I have to reiterate my argument from above: It is the as yet unvalidated
Qur'an which claims to be in accord with the earlier scriptures. If this
claim of harmony turns out to be false, then it is the problem of the Qur'an
and not the problem of the Bible. It is the Qur'an which claims harmony and
it isn't there, so the Qur'an claims something that is wrong. I cannot
understand that it is so hard to comprehend that if the Qur'an makes false
claims that this is a problem for the Qur'an and NOT for the Bible.
Basically Muslims say:
If the Qur'an makes false claims about the Bible then the Bible is wrong.
I hope expressed in this form you see how illogical this conclusion is.
If a Bahai or any other newer religious descendent of Islam would reason
that way in regard to contradictions between his book and the Qur'an, you
would be the first to detect the error in this "logic".
Logical Fallacies of Muslim Apologetics
Authenticity of the Bible
Answering Islam Home Page